Posted on 11/17/2012 8:17:44 AM PST by Kaslin
Amazing how one word “SECESSION” can evoke such passions. To the status quo lovers it is like showing the cross to a vampire. To the lover of the republic, it is a gate to freedom. No other word does this.
Actually no. A lot of other words evoke political passions. It's just that this is something that you are personally interested in. And what "lovers of the republic" seek to tear it apart?
Funny how you instantly responded to something that you feel no passion about.
It happens when I read something particularly stupid online.
The issue in each case is not the verbiage but the asserted grievances, and those can stir up quite a row among Conservatives--something we really do not need at this moment in time--when directed to the 1860 & 1861 decisions.
While, frankly, I believe--as did many in New England, also, in 1812--that there is a Constitutional right to secede, I sincerely hope that no one will do so, at this time. We have not exhausted the less extreme ways to deal with the terrible crisis in America.
Incidentally Ken needs to understand an essential point. While the colonies were in point of fact, really States in 1775 & 1776, it took the Revolution to vindicate that & the Treaty of Paris to recognize their sovereignty--as opposed to the House of Hanover holding the sovereignty. Secession was seen as an act based upon that sovereignty. (See, if you are interested, Treaty Of Paris--1783, on the sovereignty question.)
William Flax
who fired the first shot of the civil war??
south or north???
please answer
“Amazing how one word SECESSION can evoke such passions.”
We’re discussing fundamental questions about our republican values, same as our forebearers. And since we’re playing semantic games here, let’s get the definitions right:
se·cede [si-seed]
verb (used without object), se·ced·ed, se·ced·ing.
to withdraw formally from an alliance, federation, or association, as from a political union, a religious organization, etc.
rev·o·lu·tion [rev-uh-loo-shuhn]
noun 1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.
The defitions overlap in some ways, but it seems to me that the South seceded and the War of Independance was a revolution. That’s my $0.02.
“please answer”
Maybe the better answer is that the issue was highly contensious through colonial times right through the drafting of the constitution, to the Missouri Compromise, abolition, Nat Turner, Bleeding Kansas, Harper’s Ferry...
Making it an “either or” trivia questions seems kind of small.
As a fellow Cincinnatian, I am embarrassed for Ken. He should stick to what he knows.
At Fort Sumter, S. Carolina, my great great grandfather, BECAUSE YA’LL WERE DOWN HEAH!!!!
Bfl
secede: To withdraw formally from membership in an organization, association, or alliance.
American Revolution declared independence from Great Britain. This is secession.
The colonialists, having failed at achieving the recognition and representation they believed they were entitled to as true subjects, openly rebelled against the crown. This is rebellion, not secession.
The Declaration of Independence says differently.
“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, ...”
- Declaration of Independence
That doesn’t change the fact that The American Revolution was an open and violent rebellion to the authority of the crown.
“Secession was seen as an act based upon that sovereignty.”
I like your point about sovereignty.
This Ken Blackwell is now on the pay-no-mind list with Mitch Daniels, anyone named Bush, anyone named Romney, Krispy Kreme, etc.
The Declaration of Independence should be carefully studied, by the way. It is not at all what it has been misrepresented as by many on the Left, and even some in the center. (See Declaration Of Independence--With Study Guide.)
William Flax
That may be your inference but that is not in what I said.
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