A Mormon Reporter On The Romney Bus

I think Romney has proven through his career how to keep his church doctrin and Politics separate.

161 posted on 11/15/2012 4:57:54 AM PST by HollyB

Hey Colo, old bean, this is the first time I've seen you tear into the Catholics with the same spirit you exhibit when going after the Mormons.

Feel free to go after the Christian Scientists, the JW's, the Millerites, the Amish, and the Greek Orthodox.

When you get to the heresy trials for Baptists who attend churches that aren't painted white, I'll check back with ya.

As an atheist, it strengthens my convictions no end to watch Christians rip the crap out of each other.

162 posted on 11/15/2012 4:58:26 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)

To: Just mythoughts

So who gets to decide who a bigot is?

Usually, one starts with a dictionary.

163 posted on 11/15/2012 4:58:27 AM PST by 1rudeboy

I think Romney has proven through his career how to keep his church doctrine and Politics separate.

164 posted on 11/15/2012 4:58:32 AM PST by HollyB

Does this mean we can start talking about Harry Reid’s magic underwear?

165 posted on 11/15/2012 4:58:54 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)

To: 2ndDivisionVet

What haters? ;)

As an aside, the catcher on my softball team was a devout Buddhist. I never felt the need to preach to him about anything. Was he spreading false gospel? So what? I was more concerned whether he could hit a long ball.

166 posted on 11/15/2012 5:09:13 AM PST by 1rudeboy

To: Revolting cat!; Elsie

So much effort for nothing typing by hand all those things from the Bible that no one will read.

Not so much as you would think. Elsie just types 'em in once, then it's Ctl-C, Ctl-V repeated several thousand times in as many threads as "he" can find.

167 posted on 11/15/2012 5:12:27 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)

To: Revolting cat!

...she was traveling as a missionary. At the time I didn’t know their strict behavior rules.

Many folks don't!!

The Rules

Learn and obey all missionary rules.
Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
Don't debate or argue.
Center your mind on your mission.
Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
Cut your hair regularly.
Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
Be neat and clean.
Bathe frequently.
Use deodorant.
Polish your shoes.
Iron your shirt and business suit.
Arise at 6:30 A.M.
Study for 2 hours every morning.
Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
Exercise regularly.
Write in your journal regularly.
Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
Stay with your companion during all activities.
Do not go on road trips.
Do not leave your assigned area without permission
Do not watch television.
Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
Do not listen to the radio.
Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CD’s.
Do not participate in musical groups.
Do not participate in athletic teams.
Do not sponsor athletic teams.
Do not engage in contact sports.
Do not engage in water sports.
Do not engage in winter sports.
Do not engage in motorcycling.
Do not engage in horseback riding.
Do not engage in mountain climbing.
Do not embark on a private boat.
Do not embark in a private airplane.
Do not handle firearms.
Do not handle explosives.
Do not swim.
Do not play full court basketball.
Do not play basketball in leagues.
Do not play basketball in tournaments.
You may play half-court basketball.
Never be alone.
Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
Be loyal to your companion.
Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
Pray with your companion every day.
Study with your companion every day.
Plan your work with your companion every day.
Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
Do not arise before your companion.
Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
Do not flirt.
Do not date.
Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
Try to teach single investigators in a member’s home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
Do not telephone parents
Do not telephone relatives.
Do not telephone friends.
Do not telephone girlfriends.
Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
Take problems and questions to your mission president.
Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
Obey all mission rules.
Obey the laws of the land.
Do not get involved in politics.
Do not get involved in commercial activities.
Do not give any information about the area.
Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
Be courteous.
Provide community service.
Do not provide community service that isn’t approved by your mission president.
Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidays—those are peek proselytizing times.
Your mission president must approve your housing.
Keep your housing unit clean.
Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
Maintain your health.
Eat a healthy diet.
Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
Follow the approved exercise program.
Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
Be immunized.
Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
Budget your money carefully.
Keep a record of what you spend.
Do not spend more than your companion.
Do not loan money.
Do not borrow money.
Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
Pay your bills before leaving an area.
Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
Do not waste money on souvenirs.
Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
Be a frugal photographer.
Do not accumulate excess baggage.
Obey custom laws and regulations.
Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
Do not drive without a license.
Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
Do not drive members’ cars.
Do not drive nonmembers’ cars.
Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
Use cars only on approved mission business.
Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
Be conscious of safety at all times.
Drive defensively.
Wear your seat belt.
Pray for the Lord’s protection while driving.
If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
Do not tamper with the vehicle’s odometer.
Know bicycle safety rules.
Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
Go directly to your new area when transferred.
Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.

168 posted on 11/15/2012 5:13:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Gee, couldn’t you have posted that massive, unreadable thing to the other guy, DeweyShootem, instead of me.

That is another place our schools have failed: teaching cursive!

169 posted on 11/15/2012 5:15:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Elsie, having you show up with all your threadbare baggage in a thread which does not have "Mormon" or "LDS" in the title (and yes I know this thread is not one of those) is exactly like having Mormon missionaries show up at the front door when my friends and I are enjoying some nice single malts and sour mash.

170 posted on 11/15/2012 5:16:11 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)

To: Wyrd biÃ° ful arÃ¦d

I don't understand why a certain group of people here feel the need to keep slinging mud at the guy -- it is totally unbecoming.

52,000 + bullcrap slingers traipsing around, pounding on doors, and you have the gall to whine about a few of US??

171 posted on 11/15/2012 5:17:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

How is exposing mormonISM caricature assassination?

Speaking of caractors...

The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story. No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim... only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.

Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.

Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:

What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.

172 posted on 11/15/2012 5:18:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: Wyrd biÃ° ful arÃ¦d

Romney is down and out, and no matter what you folks think of mormons its not very classy to keep kicking him while he's down.

We are in the Witless Protection program for exmo's.

We reach out to Mitt everyday; but he has yet to accept our help...

173 posted on 11/15/2012 5:25:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: 2ndDivisionVet

...this gang of haters is way beyond the pale.

Oh?

I didn't know them Bah'ai dudes were hateful!

The things one learns from FR!

174 posted on 11/15/2012 5:27:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Wow, the hatred of Mormons here is unbelievable. No wonder “conservatives” can’t win. Grow up people.

Here is an example of a clueless talking point person.

Makes certain claims without evidence.

Will get snippy when called out for it.

175 posted on 11/15/2012 5:28:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

You think this is bad? Wait until the GOP runs a Jewish conservative. This will look tame by comparison.

Here is an example of a MORMON apologist bringing up NAZIs.

Why do MORMONs call JEWS gentiles?

176 posted on 11/15/2012 5:31:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

Bigots are still bigots, and they don’t belong in the conservative movement.

MORMONs are still MORMONs, and they thought they were going to OWN the conservative movement.

It appears they were wrong: again.

177 posted on 11/15/2012 5:32:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: Just mythoughts

So who gets to decide who a bigot is?

Why WE do!

--MormonDude(We happen to be the ONLY true christians, you know)

178 posted on 11/15/2012 5:33:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

To: Just mythoughts

Is this then a money thing?

Wellll...

179 posted on 11/15/2012 5:35:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

180 posted on 11/15/2012 5:36:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)

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