W.H. Petition Calls for Stripping Citizenship and Exile for Anyone Who Signs Petition to Secede

The Weekly Standard ^ | 11/13/12 | DANIEL HALPER

[SoldierDad]

Thanks. I was wondering if this was a possible explanation.

[SoldierDad]

Would you be able to forward me any ancestry information you have?

[ridesthemiles]

How about only property owners can vote??

[lesko]

Nice thought and it sounds reasonable. Some problems though. How many votes if a property owner owns more than one property? Do people get more votes based on the number of properties they own? All kinds of scenarios here that can be based on size of property, number of owned properties, value of properties, etc. Wish it were easier than this.

[RipSawyer]

“Perhaps they should also take the children from anyone who supports abortion .”
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In this Bizarro world they are far more likely to take children from those who DON’T support abortion!

[RegulatorCountry]

Sorry it's taken so long to respond. My info is scattered, not all in a nice neat GEDCOM, so it's not something that can be forwarded as such, although I did give it a look to see if there was enough specific to Pannell/Pannill to be useful to you.

But, I will share what I do know, that should help you research it further on your own fairly easily. Pannell/Pannill is prominent enough that numerous, credible and very thorough genealogies are readily available online.

Your relation to James Ewell Brown “JEB” Stuart of Laurel Hill is very straightforward. his mother was Elizabeth Pannill.

Your relation to me, given that we're both descendants to greater or lesser degree (sounds like your direct line whereas it's not mine), would be more of a tangle.

I've got them paternally through Landon Carter, but that is not my direct paternal line it's my paternal grandmother's. And, I've got them maternally through Richard Cox (Coxe/Cocke). It might prove time consuming to determine just what degree of relation there is but given we're both descendants suffice it to say we're distant cousins, regardless of how many times removed.

Is this helpful?

[SoldierDad]

Thank you. This does confirm what I've been able to find. Indeed, I am a direct decendant of Thomas Pannell, from father to son. I find it interesting that Thomas' first born son, William, changed the last name to that which I carry. I also found information that an earlier ancestor fought with William the Conquorer during the invasion of England. That ancestor, also named William, used the name of Pannill.

I am finding this extremely interesting, my ancestry. I appreciate any additional information you might have or find.

[RegulatorCountry]

Careful with claiming direct descent from a source so old as the Battle Abbey Rolls without a clear lineage. The presence of the surname makes it a good possibility but does not prove it. My own surname is there, too. But, there’s a huge gap prior to the 13th century, for me and for most, that proves nearly impossible to bridge unless you’re descended from royalty.

I’ve got another who is listed on the Templar Inquisition of 1085, earliest known coat of arms for the surname, very simple as the oldest ones always are. Black lion passant on a gules (red) field. It’s not a family coat of arms it belonged to him. Any descendants entitled to armorial bearing would have differenced or changed the earlier arms to make them their own, so they got more complicated as time wore on.

Interesting historical artifacts is all they are for Americans as well as most alive today, coats of arms are. Some can be quite beautiful.

[SoldierDad]

I can trace my lineage back to 1494 in England at this point, but no further. So, the information regarding William Pannill and the invastion of England cannot be confirmed. Though, I'm quite intrigued.

I would like to obtain an image of any Coat of Arms related to this lineage. Any suggested sites?

[RegulatorCountry]

Get access to Burke's General Armory and be prepared to encounter quite a few over the generations. Also, be familiar with alternate spellings of the surname, you've already encountered at least one in America, there will be more in England.

Do not believe all the online sites wanting to sell you something. Find out for yourself, they are interested in your money not accuracy.

And remember, the earlier the simpler. If you have a known ancestor in your direct line who was entitled to bear arms that is the one you want, or those are the ones you want. Following it back to the earliest known might be difficult as some existed prior to the organized heraldic system to track them. These can be spurious, too. People get very caught up in the subject and will veer into the fanciful very easily.

Stick to what's known from the definitive source and you won't get embarrassed by some imperious know it all online someday, lol. Every surname has one. I try not to be that person for any of mine. It's best to be as humble as possible.

[SoldierDad]

I will give Burke’s a try. Thank you for the information. While knowing there are some famous, and probably infamousm, ancestors in my lineage is facinating, I know that such lineage won’t hold any significance other than historic. So, no worries regarding being humble. I’ll share any information I find with you.