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To: ilgipper

You are right, in that online petitions are a joke. If there was a real secessionist movement, it would consist of real signatures, rallies, etc. in the states in question. I have yet to hear of such a thing. I also think that secession is unrealistic, barring some kind of economic collapse.

But having said that, I don’t agree that this is similar to FDR. This country has passed a tipping point. We are now sliding down towards European socialism, and the combination of immigration (taking in large numbers of unskilled, 3rd world people) and “education” (little more than kids being trained for 16 years in terms of who to hate) makes any kind of political change very unlikely.

Anecdotally, I have been shocked at how many times I have heard people who I didn’t even know were political, refer to secession, collapse, and how America is now finished. I am talking about secretaries, professionals, clerks, and small business owners. The feeling that this country has changed is palpable. I don’t think it will lead anywhere, but I am less sure of that than I once was.

Our control of the House, which you cite, is irrelevant. America’s internal enemies now know that they can do whatever they want, without repercussions. Any notion that the GOP will stop them is as unrealistic as any online petition.


118 posted on 11/13/2012 10:52:35 AM PST by jjsheridan5
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To: jjsheridan5
You are right, in that online petitions are a joke. If there was a real secessionist movement, it would consist of real signatures, rallies, etc. in the states in question. I have yet to hear of such a thing. I also think that secession is unrealistic, barring some kind of economic collapse.

Correct. Secession will not happen the way people envision, for two reasons: There are no leaders at the State level with a "Warrior" spirit. Second, conditions are not present for such action.

The way things are evolving it seems that some years in the future, the Federal Govt will essentially become insolvent. Hopefully, at that point in order to prevent CWII or Revolution, there will be enough strong State leaders to gather and legally, through Constitutional methods quickly remove from the Federal government ALL unconstitutional functions. Many Federal parasites will have to be fired and their pensions revoked. In addition, all courts below the S.C will have to be dissolved.

There is a peaceful way to slay the Federal Monster. It can only peacefully be accomplished by the States and only at the point when the Federal Monster is about do devour us all. I say it all happens within 15 years.

153 posted on 11/13/2012 12:09:38 PM PST by sand88
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To: jjsheridan5

I agree with all you said. I don’t see any stopping this slide. I also hear the same conversations. This was the tipping point we all feared. Barring a miracle, I fail to see how enough people can change their mindset. Especially after a few more years of accelerated decline.


189 posted on 11/13/2012 10:25:18 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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