Posted on 11/12/2012 2:19:14 PM PST by GlockThe Vote
With Palin, we can speculate, but here we have hard evidence. NO ONE running for prez can F things up this bad with an intent to win.
Mccain did it (with no real defense of Palin when his staff turned on her, now Romney. And many of the very same people involved.
Simple math to me.
Now we need ‘our side’ to man up, admit the truth before them and move on to something and someone willing to fight and win, not feed the GOP to another loss.
Assuming we have anymore elections.
I don’t doubt you on that. The Loudoun County, Virginia GOP coordinator looked like a young girl fresh out of school.
I WAS surprised that ORCA worked at all that morning.
We will never get ready to cheat the way they will, but we should be ready to fight it. It’s not just on election day, although I think the machine calibration is a huge part of it. Another issue is at the registration level. I believe we have a lot of people voting who are not citizens. We have Motor Voter. Once a name is registered, in a state without picture ID, anyone can show up. I read a thread earlier showing that since Obama took office, the majority of new jobs have gone to new immigrants.
Not only do I think he wanted to win, I think he thought he had it won early on. Esp after the first debate. The night of the election, he truly thought he had won before the results even started coming in.
It was obvious, the Romney campaign made a conscious decision that they felt Palin would be a detriment to their campaign. They wanted her as far away from the campaign as possible. You never once heard Romney say her name much less ask her to appear with him.
I like John Kasich and Marco Rubio.
Oh, I think he really wanted to win. The problem is that we conservatives don't do politics as well as the libs. For us, politics is the means to an end.
For the libs, politics is life, itself.
Until we get down in the trenches and wallow with 'em, we'll only occasionally beat 'em.
Like “Something Smells Fishy Here” after knowing things were FUBAR!
Just a hint to us that things were not right.
You are not to blame at all but now we know what happened and how. we need to figure out by whom and why. We need to stop swatting at flies and have those poll watchers tell us how this went down!
Make your own vanity post and write down everything you remember as it happened.
I think there is much more to that story but I think they tie together some way.
I think sadly we also have to factor in the anti-mormon factor. Remember the poll that said 10 percent would not vote for one.
The Palin and Paul people who were shoved away probably cost him the election.
He wanted the Palin vote but not what it represented. IE Conservative values.
They are not credibly reconcilable with gays in the military, his varying pro life positions and the rest. It was us or ‘them’ (indys) and he chose poorly.
Honestly, he never believed what we do. He wanted a moderated GOP, not a conservative one. He gambled that going mod would split off the indys and some dems. Just as McCain did when muzzling/hamstringing Palin.
So our dilema is do we continue helping people like that oe not?
Agreed, now that makes two of us on the same page. We need to convince others with bits of info to speak up.
Glock has damning info and so do others.
I agree. There was massive fraud. But Romney did little or nothing to stop it. And he did nothing afterward to demand a recount or refuse to concede.
If Romney won’t act, what the hell can we do? He worked relentlessly to be a candidate, and bashed all the other candidates unmercifully, with help from Drudge and Coulter and others.
Then, once he was in charge of the campaign, he pretty much sat back and let Obama steal the election.
Write a vanity post and write down everything that happened, all you remember. I agree with the other poster that urged you to do so.
I am furious and I don’t know what to do, I really don’t.
We have all the major players against us even though we are in the majority.
The Dems have been out since 2008 registering voters, legally or illegally. Also, during the early voting here in Florida, streams of buses full of grannies from black churches pulled up to all the early voting sites. Did we do anything even remotely similar?
There was definitely fraud - I live in a Florida county where GOP voters received letters from some place in Washington State telling them they were illegal and couldn’t vote. And our county election data base had a mysterious burp (and it was definitely not the fault of the Registrar of Voters, who is very honest) and this interfered with assigning GOP poll watchers. Did the GOP have a plan for that? No.
On the day of the election, they gave us the number of an attorney we could call. Meanwhile, the Dems had attorneys as poll watchers, busy intimidating the poll workers and GOP poll watchers.
But the major thing is simply that our candidate was the wrong one and didn’t believe the message himself, except in a limited economic sphere. Even there, I read that he refused to let Ryan go out and address urban voter segments (including blacks) with a message of economic empowerment.
We need a better message and a heck of a lot better candidate next time. And we also need to get started NOW on 2016.
I agree with you. Someone this weekend said Karl Rove will be known now as the Bernie Madoff of elections.
I agree. Romney wanted to win and I think he was deeply hurt and shocked when he didn’t.
I know Ann is the one who has MS but there were a couple of times that I noticed Romney walking oddly, as if his back was really bothering him.
Romney and Ryan campaigned their rear-ends off and I think they left and trusted much of the rest to the campaign team.
I grew to like the man. Not his politics but the man. He was a hard worker. He wanted this and he could taste it. I don’t think he will ever be the same again.
I think his sister coming out proves how hurt and shocked Romney was over the loss. Big sisters do that when they see their younger siblings hurting. They want to kick everyone’s arse then. :)
The sooner this is resolved once and for all, the better. The last thing we want is for this to be raised if and when Rubio gets the nomination.
Sometimes, stupidity is the most logical answer.
If what I’m reading in these comments are true, Romney didn’t deserve to win because he couldn’t get a competent campaign together.
If you add up, his squeamishness over major conservative issues, blind acceptance of bad polling data, and an incompetent ground effort, what do you get?
We’ve been engaging in wishful thinking this campaign by assuming that bad economy is its own argument.
1) People have yet to really start feeling the pinch (starvation/food riots) with all the social programs still running.
2) People still need convincing, dollars don’t mean anything anymore so why assume that they are a good argument?
3) People don’t just vote against a candidate, they also vote for one, unless we get that correct there won’t be enough of a turn out.
[ It’s never too early to start thinking about 2016, but I have a feeling if the nominee doesn’t come from a key swing state where he or she is very popular, say hello to POTUS Hilldebeest for 8 more years. ]
The republican party needs to be CIRCUMSIZED.....
It will be painful but under that foreskin lies something filthy..
Myth Romney took a “DIVE”.. or worse was complicit in the voter fraud.. OR BOTH...
If NOT,,,,,,,,, a new party MUST be constructed.. NOW..
Obama has four years and “she who that should not be named” is on tap for 8 more years.. Biden cannot compete against her that should not be named..
Who next JEB BUSH!!!?.. FOX news is starting to look like Donkey SHILLS.. Republicans generally are like Pavlovs Dogs.. “We” need to snip the conservative foreskin...
-OR- The republicans will become if not already are Obamas and “she should not be named”..... “BITCHES”...
I say this even though Nov 6th was the Day that VOTING DIED...
Seems like Political Parties have become obsolete...
BUT are other creative options.. requiring not circumcision but a Chain Saw..
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