I am not blamimng God. We as a nation made this choice.
We prayed, and worked our hearts out, and sought His help...and I believe He gave it...just not in the way we imagine. That’s all.
He allowed us to make this choice and did not intervene. He has intervened at times in history...but we are not ready for, or His plan does not call for it now.
So, I hope you understand my stance. My point is that whatever case, we have to accept God’s will and work with it and progress from there. He is not molded by our desires, we are modled by His and once we as a people turn to those rightous desires He has for us, we will see progress as a people.
In the mean time we do not falter. We continue to work our hearts out for the day that becomes a reality.
re: “We as a nation made this choice.”
Totally agree with you here.
re: “We prayed, and worked our hearts out, and sought His help...and I believe He gave it...just not in the way we imagine. That’s all.”
I’m with you so far.
re: “He allowed us to make this choice and did not intervene. He has intervened at times in history...but we are not ready for, or His plan does not call for it now.”
Still with you so far.
re: “My point is that whatever case, we have to accept God’s will and work with it and progress from there.”
I accept what happened, but I do not accept that Obama’s winning was necessarily “God’s will”. It might be, but unless He has told you or me through divine revelation, we don’t know if Obama’s win was what God wanted - He allowed it as part of His permissive will, but whether or not He “wanted” Obama and “chose” Obama to be our next president - that I do not know.
re: “He is not molded by our desires, we are modled by His and once we as a people turn to those rightous desires He has for us, we will see progress as a people.”
He is not molded by our desires but He does respond to our free moral choices as He sees fit. We exercise a free moral choice, and, so does God.
re: “In the mean time we do not falter. We continue to work our hearts out for the day that becomes a reality.”
Completely agree with you on this one. Also, Jeff, I hope I don’t sound like a jerk or that I’m trying to attack you, or that I am angry at you. I’m not. I think you are a great American and that you obviously love God and our great country.
Maybe I’m sounding a bit picky, if I do, I don’t mean to be. I just want to be careful with my words regarding God’s will. I think sometimes when we say things like, “God’s in control”, that we need to qualify that a bit because sometimes it sounds like we are saying that whatever happens is God’s will and that every political leader who attains some position was “chosen” by God to be in that position. I just do not believe that. God does allow some people to be placed in positions of leadership by our choice, and does not, for His own purposes, intervene. At the same time, sometimes God DOES choose a particular person to be in a position of leadership by His choice.
An interesting example of this is in the book of 2nd Samuel. I don’t exactly recall the specific chapter, but it is after King Saul has died, and David has returned to Judah and was made King over the people of Judah. We also know at this point that God had anointed David to be the next King over all Israel by the prophet Samuel. However, a man by the name of Abner had his own agenda about all of this and he rebells against God’s clear will that David be king, by encouraging one of Saul’s surviving sons, Ishbosheth, to claim the kingship over the northern tribes comprising what was called “Israel”. You see, Ishbosheth was kind of a weak person and Abner used him as a puppet king while he, Abner, ruled behind the scenes.
Abner even instigated civil war against Judah and David and tried to defeat David to extend Israel’s rule over Judah. It failed because he was fighting against God’s will. My point is, Ishbosheth was crowned king of the people of Israel even though everyone knew that David was called by God to be king. Ishbosheth was rebelling, Abner was rebelling against God’s will. And, it cost them both dearly. Ishbosheth was not supposed to be king of anything - it was against the will of God. God allowed them to rebell, but it did not thwart His ulimate will to make David King over all Israel and Judah - which did occur but only after many people suffered and died because of Abner’s rebellion.
So, I’ve said all this to say that I think we need to be very careful before subscribing God’s will as to why things happen as they do. Also, I think we must be careful when we tell people that “God’s in control” because we might be ascribing some evil act of rebellion to God, when in reality, it was a bad, free moral choice by man. I know that is NOT what you meant, but some people might misunderstand and think you are saying that whatever happens is God’s will and Obama must be the one God wanted us to have as our president. Am I making sense or am I just chasing after nothing?