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Turnout shaping up to be lower than 2008 (and 2004)
AP (Yahoo News) ^ | 11/7/12 | Josh Lederman

Posted on 11/07/2012 6:01:47 AM PST by RightGeek

A drop in voter turnout in Tuesday's election didn't keep President Barack Obama from winning a second term in the White House.

Preliminary figures suggest fewer people voted this year than four years ago, when voters shattered turnout records as they elected Obama to his first term.

In most states, the numbers are shaping up to be even lower than in 2004, said Curtis Gans, the director of American University's Center for the Study of the American Electorate. Still, the full picture may not be known for weeks, because much of the counting takes place after Election Day.

"By and large, people didn't show up," Gans said.

In Texas, turnout for the presidential race dropped almost 11 percent from 2008. Vermont and South Carolina saw declines that were almost as large. The drop-off was more than 7 percent in Maryland, where voters approved a ballot measure allowing gay marriage.

With 95 percent of precincts reporting, The Associated Press figures showed more than 117 million people had voted in the White House race, but that number will go up as more votes are counted. In 2008, 131 million people voted, according to the Federal Election Commission.

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To: RightGeek

With the conservative base aging, the influx of immigrants, and young people being indoctrinated as liberals, we have become a center-left country.


41 posted on 11/07/2012 6:35:00 AM PST by trublu
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To: The Sons of Liberty

That was what CNN was saying when looking at exit polling data in VA. Evangelicals stayed home and then we have to ask, how many are left in this morally corrupt country to make a difference anyway?


42 posted on 11/07/2012 6:35:15 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: DJ MacWoW

Here’s a video of a voting machine expert (court testimony) who explains how votes can be manipulated on the voting machines. “The central tabulator’s data is extremely easy to manipulate”...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=IFY1iwE2qzI&feature=youtu.be&nomobile=1

For example, a WiFi or Bluetooth card can be hidden within the computer underneath the motherboard to remotely manipulate large numbers of votes. Or someone can also manually upload large amounts of votes multiple times (reloading memory cards multiple times in a precinct / while destroying the paper trail at precincts).

If democrats believed all the news stories of Republicans “stealing the election”, they would have no problems tampering with votes on their side.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 6:35:26 AM PST by jq2
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To: trublu

The message we are sending to the GOP-E:

Nominate a conservative or we sit on our hands. We’re not bluffing.

Get pissed off if you want, tell us we’re screwing over the country, tell us we’re helping Obama, I don’t give a crap.

But I am NOT voting for a liberal no matter whose party ID he happens to be wearing.


44 posted on 11/07/2012 6:35:44 AM PST by delapaz
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To: joesbucks
As many Evangelicals showed up to vote this time as in 2008. What's missing are NEW VOTERS with the enthusiasm of the recent convert. They didn't showup. They don't exist. Once Romney got the nomination and had let everybody know nobody was going to play a part in anything meaningful in the direction of his super choreographed campaign, no one bothered to get more new voters lined up.

In the end just about as many people, Evangelicals included, voted for Romney as voted for McCain!

The blame must be accepted by the GOP-e and their feckless campaign analysts. They really screwed up.

45 posted on 11/07/2012 6:37:33 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: DownInFlames

Yep ..both candidates had less (Obama had a lot less so it’s true people were less enthused about him but didn’t turn to Romney, instead stayed home). Romney picked up two more states than McCain and was closer in OH, and VA than McCain.


46 posted on 11/07/2012 6:37:48 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: ubaldus
He left 6-7 million GOP voters sitting at home, and no wonder.

And now those 7 million (along with the rest of us) are left with the expected result of that inaction...4 more years of Obama and a Democrat stranglehold on the Senate. The Dems hope that conservatives vote/not vote on pure principal in 2016 too. It's making it easy for them.

47 posted on 11/07/2012 6:39:30 AM PST by trublu
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To: mgist

Its over. You sohould see the comments on my facebook page - we are heading to communism.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, followed always by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
~ Alexander Fraser Tytler, Scottish-born British lawyer and writer, 1747 - 1813.


48 posted on 11/07/2012 6:39:36 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: delapaz
Next time maybe we’ll get an actual conservative.

Socialism wasn't implemented in this country overnight, it's taken decades. Rolling it back will likely take just as long. Block-headed "conservatives" who sat out last night did nothing but help liberals get elected. How did abortion get reduced last night? Taxes? How did conservatives help avoid the creation of a "Secretary of Business" last night?
49 posted on 11/07/2012 6:39:49 AM PST by DaveInDallas
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To: delapaz

With all due respect, that THRILLS the DNC.


50 posted on 11/07/2012 6:41:43 AM PST by trublu
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To: trublu

you can’t prove your contention by looking at these numbers. the party stallwarts (most of them Evangelicals) voted. There were no new voters though. Somebody forgot you have to start getting them in voter registration campaigns the year before, and then follow up with get out the vote campaigns in the fall election.


51 posted on 11/07/2012 6:43:41 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: joesbucks

Do you blame them. They gave everything back in 2010 to try and stop Obama’s agenda and horrendous HC bill and we’re ignore even sending republicans to the house, and then house and pubbies cave. Our so called conservative president puts people on SCOTUS like Roberts. Obama executive orders every horrible thing he can think of and so called leaders on our side don’t do CRAP.


52 posted on 11/07/2012 6:44:10 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: jq2
FReepers KNOW about fraud and yesterday we had stories left and right about the left being caught at it. This election was stolen. Yet here we are with the MSM spinning for their messiah and posters swallowing the poison.

I cannot express how angry I am.

53 posted on 11/07/2012 6:45:27 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Tunehead54

Christians voted. Secular humanist sophisticated Republican voters stayed home sipping latte tut tutting about the Evangelicals not willing to vote for someone different.


54 posted on 11/07/2012 6:45:40 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: DaveInDallas

For conservatives the election was lost back in March, not last night.

There were no salient issues for us. Either way a liberal gets a mandate to run the country. You do know that Romney is pro-choice right? You do know that he ushered in gay marriage in MA right?

Romney has been the enemy of conservatives for 95% of his career. So yeah, we lost, and yeah he didn’t get enthusiasm.

Now we have a very small fighting chance to smack the GOP into listening to us.


55 posted on 11/07/2012 6:45:48 AM PST by delapaz
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To: snarkytart
how many are left in this morally corrupt country to make a difference anyway?

Excellent question. Most newscasters (I WON'T call them journalists) usually cite church attendance as a barometer, but some "churches" have become so corrupt that many people choose to be "unchurched", rather than submit to the hypocrisy, so it is difficult to tell. Certainly my parents would no longer recognize this country.

I think we have turned our backs on GOD, not that he has turned away from us.

56 posted on 11/07/2012 6:47:17 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil)
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To: muawiyah; Tunehead54

>> “Christians voted. Secular humanist sophisticated Republican voters stayed home sipping latte tut tutting about the Evangelicals not willing to vote for someone different.” <<

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Pretty good summation.


57 posted on 11/07/2012 6:47:56 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: trublu

With all due respect I don’t care what does or does not thrill the DNC.

This is all about getting the GOP to LISTEN.


58 posted on 11/07/2012 6:48:04 AM PST by delapaz
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To: delapaz

THIS THIS THIS, A MILLION TIMES...THIS.

Obamacare is horrendous and most people HATE the idea of it.

This issue could have destroyed Obama. Noway for him to say “Bush left me this problem” like he did on the economy. But our candidate couldn’t even do that because of his record supporting state/government ran healthcare. Sure Romney gave it lip service like a line here and there saying “end Obamacare and replace it” but we needed someone to really lay out why this was gonna be a disaster.

The MSM was basically SILENT on the bad economic news always using the word “recovery” even when the jobless rate grew they’d write headlines like “Slower recovery”. Make no mistake that if this was Bush every night we’d see stories on the news about homelessness and people being thrown out of their jobs with no food.


59 posted on 11/07/2012 6:52:44 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: mgist; RightGeek
"Makes no sense."

Sure it does.

There were at least a two hundred thousand people who would never vote for Barry but also were convinced they couldn't vote for a Mormon. Add in about that same number who would never vote for a Catholic and you have a nice portion of that two million fewer voters.

A neighbor of mine who goes to an independent Evangelical church said his pastor preached this past Sunday about why everyone should just stay home rather than voting for a ticket with a Mormon and a Catholic. Just look at the constant stream of posts on FR making the argument that no one who is a Christian should ever vote for a Mormon. It's not at all difficult to believe there were a large number of people who agreed with that argument or for whom it was the final straw that kept them from bothering to vote since they didn't like Romney that much to begin with.

Add to that the fact a good number of Christian black folks have had second thoughts about Barry but would never vote against him and you have a good start at figuring out why there were two million fewer voters than 08. One thing for sure, there are an awful lot of people who don't care enough about their country to even bother to vote and as long as that's the case it'll be the people who vote because they're promised more goodies who choose the President.

The real democrat strategy all along was to suppress the Republican and Independent turnout any way they could and there are plenty of fifth columnists who threw in with them with arguments against Mormons, projections of a landslide, and so on. Romney didn't motivate people like Newt did so there was nothing to counter the constant stream of reasons to not bother with voting. Whether or not Romney was worth a crap wasn't ever the question, whether or not you gave a damn about your country was and it looks like plenty of people claim to care but actually are just like little kids who take their toys and go home when things don't go their way.

Wait a couple of years. Barry will reduce the number of hospitals by around twenty percent by forcing Catholic hospitals to close. He'll reduce the number of doctors by about half by forcing them to either be a party to all sorts of malpractice dictated by government panels or quitting. And if that doesn't cheer up the electorate enough, he'll be sure to reduce the number of full time jobs by another five or six million.

That's when all the "good people" who sat this election out will be crying and wringing their hands while they wonder how God could let this happen to them and their country. I've seen the same sort of thing before when the very same people who dodged the draft, protested the war, and were all for cutting defense spending were shocked and upset that Iran wasn't afraid to take hostages and that the military couldn't manage to rescue the hostages in Iran.

60 posted on 11/07/2012 6:52:50 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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