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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
USFRIENDINVICTORIA
I know you said you are playing devil’s advocate and I think you mean well in your points but a huge red flag goes up every time I see one of those air cars and the “facts” associated with them. A quick stop over at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density will show that the claim “Compressed air tanks have greater energy density than batteries” is FALSE (mostly)!

At 300 bar (4350 psi) compressed air has a specific energy density of 0.5 MJ/Kg

Others for comparison…
Gasoline 47.2
Lithium air battery 9
Lithium battery 1.8
Alkaline battery 0.59
Lithium ion battery 0.72
Lead acid 0.1

So, it may be better than an old fashioned lead battery not so in general.
84 posted on 11/06/2012 4:47:52 PM PST by chaos_5
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To: chaos_5

I clearly got the energy density part wrong. I was going on (obviously faulty) memory.

Also, I hadn’t realized that the energy density of a lithium-air battery is so high. That’s very interesting.

I felt the need to play devil’s advocate, because I think that there’s too much of a tendency to politicize certain technologies on FR. To me, technological options should be judged on their merits; and not by a political litmus test.

I realize that air cars, battery-electric cars, hybrids, etc. have been politicized by the “other side” — all part and parcel of the greatest boondoggle of all times (the AGW, carbon-credit, “green” energy subsidy, anti-coal, wealth-redistribution, knock-the-west-down-to-size, watermelon conspiracy). That does make it hard to be dispassionate about any technology that gets ensnared in that mess. I have a simple rule for approaching such technologies: if it’s subsidized, criticize; if it’s a product of free markets — then leave it to willing buyers and willing sellers.

As a confirmed gadget freak; if I had the mad money I might indulge myself with an air car, or air motorcycle, just to play with it.


85 posted on 11/06/2012 6:21:55 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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