Posted on 10/24/2012 6:19:15 AM PDT by RummyChick
I pinged you in another thread to this little city I just found(American media ignoring)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20055271
Russia: Syrian Rebels Have US Made Weapons
Part of puzzle...needs exposure.
Hillary laughing off emails as ‘Facebook accounts’ on FOX right now. She actually Laughed!! I wonder what is so funny about 4 dead Americans and AQ flags flying on our embassies and AQ bragging on Facebook and twitter that they killed Americans with little problem?
He may have also had some inside info about what was unraveling and decided that he could wait a few days and then see where it might be prudent to weigh in and leverage it. He was too nice and too calm about it not to have had some idea...
Thanks for pings. Please keep them coming!
Still having many problems with FR---pulling up threads and refreshing. It has made adding any helpful post to advance the story impossible.
Re: Maggie's schedule for Hillary (9/11/12, 12pm, meet with Panetta & Donilon at the WH) and her comment:"They knew before it happened, IMO, perhaps even orchestrated “protests” to cover the arms running to Syria."
Freeper PieterCasparzen posted a vanity thread that received some excellent replies, but I wanted to draw your attention to two posts worthy of some thought and consideration by Freeper Jumper on that thread:
From Jumper To: PieterCasparzen --- Post 25
I was working for the Dept of State (DoS), when the Obama team took control and Hillary took charge, performing information management duties.
The following is an educated guess as to what happened, how it happened, and what the probable motives from a US operational standpoint as I see the administration in its execution of American Interests abroad...
The administration implemented Social Media under the operational control of Public Affairs. This consisted of using each embassy/consulate as a Internet focal point to enlist local nationals from the host country as friends, using Face Book and other media such as Twitter, or whatever the popular alternative was within that country or region.
The Administration utilized Twitter to mobilize its voters in 2008, again in 2010, and transferred the campaigns direct operation control operators into the DoS Public Affairs leadership. They have stood up a major operation using a building adjacent to Main State in DC and it is from there that global operations are contemplated, then farmed out to the local offices.
During my last tour before going into Brazil as an IT guy or what we call a communicator, I was sent to the PA and asked to assist them, unofficially of course, but as a professional courtesy to help the PA folks with their IT problems if they arise. What they asked was nothing out of the ordinary, however, they did try to enlist gage my interest, and being a good State person I knew to feign excitement so that they felt more comfortable in closing the sales pitch to a like minded ally in the field.
The crux of Public Affairs operations is that they can do several things, one of which is to FLASH information to subscribers, another to alert Americans in country, and they can stir the pot which is the ultimate goal of PA ops, e.g., influence local opinion.
The US Department of State FLASHED to the Islamic world the VIDEO INSULT and this is where the story grew legs.
Anyone investigating this Administration (Incident) needs to start right across the street from Main State and get those files and the list of people who worked in PA in both DC and within the consulates/embassies. This will expose the ugly truth. The Video story was planted in the local countries to support a narrative. That narrative never was ment to be internally political to the President but for the Country engaged in activities linked to overall US Mid East Policy.
This was a excellent cover for the Gun Running Operation that blew up and if anything the fall out will be minimal as it was probably not illegal to deal with Al Quada affiliates to run guns from Libyas former military into Syria/Lebanon/the Saini, etc. Unless of course the president in his duality role representing America as a practitioner of Islam/Islamic upbringing in those parts of the world is not credible - which I believe today is the case and thus Romney will replace Obama.
We gave the War on Terror an Islamic President which during whose tenure Islam failed to grasp the opportunity to work with America; they will now have to deal with another Christian Representative who will have less credibility than Obama had in his upbringing, but through strength Romney and America will no longer coddle Islam as was official US policy the past 4-years. It was all coordinated to give Islam a chance, and they missed that Olive Branch from the Executive Branch. God help them.
This entire State Department (Langley Boys Sp Op) and Public Affairs (can you say sister agency again?) blew up. The Ambassador was not what he appeared, nor was the Consulate manned to handle Counselor Affairs which is the primary function of said missions abroad.
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From Jumper to Just mythoughts; don-o; silverleaf--- Post 37
I have no official knowledge and am only trying to piece together things I have read in the news or in comments here and other conservative sources. My work allowed me to see CHANGE but none of that change was inherently a mysterious or bad thing but rather embracing technology, openly.
Based on something someone wrote somewhere about the State Department/Administration sending this information out to the locals in different countries was the basis for the FLASH comment. Seeing that the consulate was not much of an operation or performing traditional functions I am familiar with diplomacy/consulate operations is my belief it was not fully staffed or yet in the actual role of a consulate; maybe they send in counselor officers as needed?
My "Theory" that Stevens was not what he appeared is due to something I read this morning that he was the point man for dealing with the opposition forces and securing the Libyan military's equipment for export to Syrian rebels... thru an AQ franchise leader none the less, and arms had gotten out of control of where the US wanted them - then Stevens was appointed Ambassador.... The video was just something all Planners would keep in the card deck to use as needed. Contingency planning and marketing your programs is the name of the game.
I do not believe the cover up was meant to blow up in the National Media Stateside but then this is an election year and oftentimes within the Senate/Congressional Committees betrayal happens as payback - hence I believe the current blowback to the Administration. Just as the Dem's used Iran-Contra some well placed Republicans have repaid that small favor.
As for the US doing nothing, it does not serve the Nation while at War to comprise our capabilities for surveillance which has now been made public in the press, e.g., by extension of telling the world it was watched in real time and this is the reason no help was sent; had help arrived it would have tipped our hand if in fact it is true the situation was monitored - or - the reason no help arrived was so the entire operation to smuggle arms would disappear along with any loose ends. It is an ugly game on the world stage being exploited in failure to the detriment of the Administration. However if any dealing with AQ is true then that will be interesting to see answered and dealt with as well.
My "theory" on Obama being seen as a Muslim or Islamic product in the ME is beneficial to our relations, hence Obamas repeated comments on "his" credibility.... I think Obama was not so much elected but very astutely put into the presidency by "American Interests" to give the Islam world a chance to make amends and play nice; the fact that they have not does allow any more time to lose as has been oft repeated "past four years"; it is therefore time for the Bad Cop to replace the Good Cop in American towards the Islamic world. Romney will take that good will gesture of having Obama preside over our Nation off the table and they will see the Sword of America come screaming down on them like an Eagle from on High.
And no, I do not think the video had any government connection but rather it was a crass attempt to whip up hysteria by Obama's team.
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If you haven't listened to Brian Lilley's 9/12/2012 12-minute video he described as "The Misplaced Outrage Over Riots in the Muslim World" posted by TigersEye, it is informative.
1) As we have known but is reconfirmed here with primary evidence, the Cairo protests were organized as a protest to release the Blind Sheik, complete here with interview with the Blind Sheik's son. Brian states that CNN has this video (as does all CNN affiliates), but they have never aired it. [reminder: Lilley's report is broadcast on 9/12/2012]
2)Libya attack was retaliation for drone strike on al Libi
[MestaMachine has been reminding us of these facts, including pointing to the al Zawahiri video calling for attacks prior to 9/11]
At minute 8, Lilley has an interview with MEMRI:
"This garbage, bigoted movie was there for months until the Egyptian media began to stir it up a week before Sept 11. This is the media whose editors in chief were appointed newly by the MB leadership by President Morsi."
Lilley: "I also understand that the Egyptian media were also talking weeks before Sept 11 that there would be a protest to free the Blind Sheik and that that's what the protest would be about, Correct?
MEMRI: Right, The campaign for that has been running for a long time. Mr. Morsi has vowed to do everything possible to free him in a very well known speech where he accepted his nomination, so to speak.... The MB had the audacity, today, after yesterday's events, to call for a demonstration."
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Now think of Jumper's theory and those early timed releases by the State Dept (now scrubbed) apologizing for the video before the Cairo protest had even begun and the constant repetition of the video as embassy protests spread throughout the world.
Remember: They always try to kill as many birds as possible with one stone.
A few problems with ‘Jumper’s’ posts though. One....the enemies of this country know darn well we have drones that spy and even kill from the sky...that is not a valid reason for Obama to have done nothing.
Two: it reads like an apologist post for Obama’s treasonous behavior IMHO. Some of it might make sense for someone looking to excuse Obama’s complicity...but not to people (like me) who increasingly believe that Obama is in the camp of our enemies. I know it is hard for people to come to terms with or believe could even happen to our great country..but it is apparently happening right in front of our eyes.
Just some thoughts.
I posted his posts in entirety to get the full flavor, but was more intent to read between the lines. What I found most enlightening is his comments, knowledge, experience was his remarks on the State Dept's post-election use of the Obama campaign's social media database and their use of same **to instigate** and/or propagandize their agenda abroad.
For me, it goes a long way to explain Maggie's hunch: "They knew before it happened, IMO, perhaps even orchestrated “protests” to cover the arms running to Syria."
A few nuggets I found interesting:
The US Department of State FLASHED to the Islamic world the VIDEO INSULT and this is where the story grew legs.
Anyone investigating this Administration (Incident) needs to start right across the street from Main State and get those files and the list of people who worked in PA in both DC and within the consulates/embassies. This will expose the ugly truth. The Video story was planted in the local countries to support a narrative.
This entire State Department (Langley Boys Sp Op) and Public Affairs (can you say sister agency again?) blew up. The Ambassador was not what he appeared, nor was the Consulate manned to handle Counselor Affairs which is the primary function of said missions abroad.
I see what you are zeroing in on. Also couple that with the fact that the state department was warned that something was not right a full three hours before the attack even began (according to a timeline presented on Glenn Beck’s program last night.) that was why we had a drone overhead to begin with.....they were waiting or watching for the whole thing to begin!!
Hillary's past is catching up with her like an avalanche---worthy of a Greek "tragedy."
A couple points in Hillary's brief Benghazi comments from Brazil:
1) "We are holding ourselves accountable to the American people because, not only they, but our brave diplomats and development experts serving in dangerous places around the world deserve no less."
2) "The independent Accountability Review Board [independent, lol] is ALREADY hard at work looking at everything, not cherry-picking, you know, one story here or one document there, but looking at everything, which I HIGHLY recommend (starts faux, condescending laughing---tip from Joe Biden?) as the appropriate approach to something as complex as an attack like this."
She sounded nearly giddy.
3) By the time she mentioned Facebook and finished cackling, she was already in full-blown spin and couldn't stop herself.
4) "What I keep in mind is that 4 brave Americans were killed....find out what happened...fix...and bring those to justice who committed these murders....very confident we will achieve those goals."
Bolton's real-time response on Fox, "I'm shocked by the Secretary's approach here, as if this is, sort of, an academic exercise, and I think these emails reveal a fundamental breakdown in handling the attack in real-time....It's a mistake to look at this historically, to look back....The judgment we should make about the Adm's performance is, What were the decision makers doing in real time....?"
Much later in same Fox program, Lindsey Graham interviewed about emails. "My question becomes now, "Why wasn't the Counter-terrorism group activated? There are working groups within our government whose job it is to deal with terrorist incidents. Why wasn't some terrorist working group activated, advising the president of how can we help these 4 people?
And why did we not have any military assets or CIA assets positioned on 9/11, of all dates, to come to the aid of these people for over 7 hours."
It [emails] makes the statement of President Obama that my adm will share every detail with the American public untrustworthy. This Adm is stonewalling."
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It's all coming back now to the facts and statements originally made by Col David Hunt. Now we learn of the emails, but what we learned in Hunt's interview is that there is a real-time paper/audio/photo/video trail as wide and long as the Mississippi.
IMO, nothing is as important as these questions except for the gun-running weapons operations they were/are trying to hide.
Great recaps and highlights! I am still in shock at what we are witnessing from this president, his administration and our treasonous media.
“Also couple that with the fact that the state department was warned that something was not right a full three hours before the attack even began (according to a timeline presented on Glenn Beck’s program last night.) that was why we had a drone overhead to begin with.....they were waiting or watching for the whole thing to begin!!”
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/appt/2012/09/197186.htm
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
PUBLIC SCHEDULE
TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 11, 2012
SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON
12:00 p.m. Secretary Clinton meets with Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, at the White House.
(MEDIA DETERMINED BY WHITE HOUSE)
Hmmm... Good find! I saw you post that earlier but it makes more sense in context now with the revelations of the warning of something brewing according to Beck timeline.
Query this.....when was the last time that Hillary, Panetta, Donolin met at the white house before this happened? I would imagine that it doesn’t happen very often.
FIVE discussing the subject now. Wish they had the information linked on this page.
She’s meeting at the WH now, but it is not specify with whom. Glancing back a bit at her schedule, that seems to be the norm.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/appt/2012/10/198372.htm
WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 24, 2012
4:30 p.m. Secretary Clinton attends a meeting at the White House.
(MEDIA DETERMINED BY WHITE HOUSE)
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Interesting-
September 19, 2012
SECRETARY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON
9:15 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with the assistant secretaries, at the Department of State.
(CLOSED PRESS COVERAGE)
11:30 a.m. Secretary Clinton meets with President Obama, at the White House.
(MEDIA DETERMINED BY WHITE HOUSE)
9/11 HRC schedule: HT ptbor
:)
Remember also that the Cairo embassy released an "apology" for the tape before the video tape itself was even announced.
We need a timeline.
Did you ever see what time the State Dept apologies came out (before the Cairo protest & Benghazi attack)?
IIRC, the WH retracted the apology before State Dept scrubbed? If so, do you remember approx what time?
These events could also evidence prior knowledge.
Can we view her schedule for WH meetings for the weeks and months before Sept. 11?
Posted 36 before I saw your 35.
Never mind. I went and looked at your link. She goes there every few days like you said. I was just curious.
Heads up! Bret Baier just said they obtained a new email in the past 10 minutes!
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