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Obama Wins the Second Debate. Too Bad It’s Not the One That Mattered
Yahoo News ^ | October 17, 2012 | Jeff Greenfield

Posted on 10/17/2012 10:29:27 AM PDT by lbryce

When the evening began, one observation dominated the conversation: “If President Barack Obama has another debate like the last one, the election’s over.”

When the evening ended, I was struck by a different thought: If Obama had performed this way at the first debate, the election would have been over.

In every debate, whatever the format, whatever the questions, there is one and only one way to identify the winner: Who commands the room? Who drives the narrative? Who is in charge? More often than not on Tuesday night, I think, Obama had the better of it.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; debates; jeffgreenfield; obama; romney
"Too Bad" as in crocodile tears.
1 posted on 10/17/2012 10:29:29 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

I don’t think Obunghole won.


2 posted on 10/17/2012 10:30:54 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: lbryce

Don’t know what debate the writer watched, but it wasn’t the one I saw. obama had a couple of good moments. But Romney was terrific and looked like someone who is capable of solving our fiscal problems. The anger on obama’s face also demonstrated his inability to deal w/disagreement.


3 posted on 10/17/2012 10:33:29 AM PDT by Son-Joshua (son-joshua)
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To: lbryce

Hopefully debates at a presidential level are about more than who can best master the art of buffalo — facts, even those verified outside the forum, matter.


4 posted on 10/17/2012 10:33:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Son-Joshua

As usual, Yahoo commenters are reliable to tear down these so-called journalists.


5 posted on 10/17/2012 10:34:40 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: lbryce

Of course the left feeeeeels that bongo won - he stuck to his talking points and was (almost) as disruptive as Bidet was.

All bongo brought to the “debate” was his boilerplate talking points. If pressed to explain or substantiate he deflected or blathered. Since that’s the default MO of the left they naturally interpret it as a successful campaign.

I submit that the audience was not amused.


6 posted on 10/17/2012 10:36:36 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: lbryce
A) Obama didn't win squat.

B) the election was over the minute a majority of Americans had a chance to see & hear Romney without the media filter.

7 posted on 10/17/2012 10:37:11 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: lbryce

8 posted on 10/17/2012 10:38:25 AM PDT by Evil Slayer ((Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....))
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To: jospehm20
Who says Obama won? Not me. Well, I guess we all knew that unless barry came out as bad as he did last time the left wing would automatically declare him the winner.

I don't think either "won" the debate, more like a draw, with a slight edge to Romney because he scored on some good points, plus he took on Obama AND the moderator, who did everything she could to steer the debate for Obama's benefit. She was even arguing against Romney at one point.

One thing I am getting sick of is the constant pressing on Romney for details. Where is Obama's details? What, on some website somewhere? He gives even more vague answers than Mitt yet no one calls him out on it.

9 posted on 10/17/2012 10:39:03 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: lbryce
Another artificially arbitrarily assigned winner-loser label. All in favor of the libs, no coincidence, I am sure.

No wonder they like Obama so much, given a choice, they always pick a loser just like dear leader.

10 posted on 10/17/2012 10:39:38 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: lbryce

Well Jeff in order for you to have thought Obama won is you accepted all his lies as facts. Based on truths Mitt won going away.


11 posted on 10/17/2012 10:46:06 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: jospehm20
Even so, it aggravates me to no end that the GOP allows such unapologetic prejudicial shenanigans by moderators such as Candy (Is that how she got her name, by eating all that candy as it appears is her only source of calories?)Crowley, to engage in behavior that is patently unfair that egregiously violate the rules.

Why doesn't anyone at the GOP speak up about it? It is quite doable to create some sort of penalty process against moderators who are hardly moderate in their favoritism towards left-wing candidates.

12 posted on 10/17/2012 10:46:19 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO-"Now, I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" by way of Oppenheimer at Trinity, NM)
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To: lbryce

They should insist on a 50-50 conservative/commie moderator split. All commie moderators really sucks.


13 posted on 10/17/2012 11:04:18 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: lbryce

If by winning Greenfield means Obama was able to get away with his many lies, then I guess Obama won. But I doubt he got away with them. In fact, I’ll bet the studio audience knew he was lying about Libya and probably sensed he was lying about a number of other issues. The Luntz focus groups tend to prove that. As far as overall presentation Romney came off much better. Who appeared to sell himself and his ideas for the future better: Romney or Obama? I’d say Romney looked and sounded much more knowledgeable and confident to tv viewers than Obama.


14 posted on 10/17/2012 11:04:31 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: lbryce
If "commanding the room" means pontificating and lying, then The Kenyan probably did win.
15 posted on 10/17/2012 11:07:06 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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To: lbryce

I beg to differ.


16 posted on 10/17/2012 11:24:25 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: lbryce

Greenfield used to write for The National Lampoon, as did P J O’Rourke. Now that he’s become a leftist hack, Greenfield’s bio doesn’t mention this.


17 posted on 10/17/2012 12:06:35 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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