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To: Alamo-Girl; MHGinTN; zeugma; Boogieman; TXnMA
String theory...says that the additional dimensions are compactified. And there are many of them. This follows on the Kaluza-Klein attempts to unify gravity and electro-magnetism.... But, in my view, string theory smacks of being "kluged" much like Einstein's original cosmological constant. Or to put it another way, a theory should not be formed merely to explain away the anomalies of prior theories (taking them as axioms or presuppositions) — but rather a theory should stand on its merit, elegant.

"Kludged" indeed. It's as if anytime the string theorist comes up against a road block in the prosecution of his mathematical trail, that he simply says, "Well, let's just propose yet another (spacial, compactified) dimension and see how that all works out."

And yet as you suggest, dearest sister in Christ, the mathematical Platonists are always looking for simplicity, elegance, beauty, and I daresay maximal efficency/economy as the touchstones of the truth of any mathematical proposition, not to mention "the laws of Nature and of Nature's God."

In Natural Law Theory, the former is regarded as the universal language of the latter.

I do believe that, not only Max Tegmark (whose Level IV Parallel Universe theory I greatly admire), but also such other eminences as Einstein, Eddington, Wesson, et al. are mathematical Platonists.

Anyhoot, as you noted, Einstein later regretted his "kluge."

Dearest Alamo-Girl, you wrote:

From the perspective of an observer in 4D it would seem that such [higher than 4D] entities existed in a spatially separated "world" when in the higher dimensional dynamics theory [e.g., Wesson's 5D/2T] they would be phase-shifted and intersecting our 4D perceptible "world" at will.

An observer in 4D sees what he sees from the inside of the "all that there is," as part and participant of it. He cannot ever gain a perspective from the outside of the 4D world, so as to see it all "entire" in perfect "objectivity."

Sense perception developed to accommodate interactions with a 4D world have no utility whatever with respect to direct observation of a fifth, timelike dimension.

Here it seems useful to cite Romans 1:20:

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

Which regarding the instant case I take to mean: The fifth timelike dimension is not directly perceptible by means of sense, but can be "seen" or intuited by the human mind — which seems to have a "natural ability" to "sense" such things — in a purely subjective process. Thus the Natural Law connection, or correspondence, between the world of Nature (Creation) and the human psyche: The two orders naturally "correspond" in Natural Law Theory; which is why mathematics can stand as the universal language that so aptly describes their relations.

Dearest sister, you wrote:

And when we die physically according the Wesson's theory, we experience a phase shift. In sum, a person's wave function does not simply collapse upon physical death.

Lately, just this point has practical significance in the life of my family. I have an elderly father who — although as healthy as a horse physically — has lost his will to live. He actively wants to die. But it seems to me he is a man (very Newtonian! probably a Deist to boot!) who sees death as an endpoint, not as a phase shift.... But if death truly is a phase shift (as thinkers as far back as Plato seem to suggest), then Dad is not at all "prepared" for it....

I just hope and pray that he will acknowledge our Lord Jesus Christ — Son of God and Logos Alpha to Omega — before he passes away.

My father is a man of sterling character and intelligence. I do not understand why he continues to refuse to give proper acknowledgement to the Source of his own fine human qualities, which have led to a rich and diverse life of wonderful achievements.

So I pray. Would you please say a little prayer for my Dad, dearest sister in Christ?

I'll close for now — though there were so many other splendid insights in your absolutely outstanding article. Thank you ever so much, dearest sister in Christ, for writing it!

117 posted on 10/19/2012 1:13:16 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MHGinTN; zeugma; Boogieman
Dear Sister in Christ,

Would you and A-G, perchance, be willing to consider the idea that six days experienced in "the 'non-4D realm' of Wesson's 5D/2T" might be experienced in the '4D realm' as, say, 14 billion years? '-)

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bb, You have my sympathies and prayers re your father: We are going through the same thing here with my 95-year-old aunt -- with the exception that she is having physical difficulties and some pain. She is confident of her future with our Lord, and she has, when in pain, said, "Just let me die"... We just moved her from a long stay in the hospital battling congestive heart failure to a nursing home (which is, in reality, hospice care.)

Both she and her 90 year old sister who lives with her in the old family homestead require 24-hour company, so we few nephews and nieces have been manning 12-hour shifts with them for what seems like many months now. And, having them separated doubles our load...

Blessedly, we "youngsters" are their siblings in Christ, and we all recognize that this intergenerational caring is just part of a "family life cycle" that has been repeated countless times since the days of Adam. And we can all see where we will be in the next cycle -- and we face that fact with calm assurance.

I suppose you can take that as an explanation as to why I have "dropped off the radar" on FR in recent months... Yet, I'm still working on my "experiential essay"! ;-)

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Please continue this discussion; I will be following along as I can. For me, it has already provided the useful concepts of "phase change" and of "making a turn" into an extra-4D realm. And I have caught strong glimpses of the "Universal Now" principle we are discussing -- albeit with interruptions...

In concert and in Him,

TXnMA

119 posted on 10/19/2012 4:44:41 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: betty boop; MHGinTN; TXnMA
I just hope and pray that he will acknowledge our Lord Jesus Christ — Son of God and Logos Alpha to Omega — before he passes away.

I am joined with you, dearest sister in Christ, in earnest prayer for your father. May God bless him with "ears to hear", surround him with His angels and speak to his spirit.

The fifth timelike dimension is not directly perceptible by means of sense, but can be "seen" or intuited by the human mind — which seems to have a "natural ability" to "sense" such things — in a purely subjective process. Thus the Natural Law connection, or correspondence, between the world of Nature (Creation) and the human psyche: The two orders naturally "correspond" in Natural Law Theory; which is why mathematics can stand as the universal language that so aptly describes their relations.

Excellent insights, dearest sister in Christ!

Truly, I believe it was no accident that God created our physical senses such that we can only physically perceive four dimensions. For one thing, those physical perceptions persist despite what we know in our mind, soul or spirit.

The situation teaches us to live by faith not by sight.

Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. - 2 Cor 5:6-8

Some preachers use the analogy of flying an airplane to get the point across, i.e. live by faith not by sight. Namely, that our vision and "seat of the pants" may be telling us one thing but we must read and trust the instruments (the Word of God in the analogy) in order to land safely.

God's Name is I AM.

120 posted on 10/19/2012 9:54:07 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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