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Michigan unions fight to enshrine bargaining rights in constitution
The Washington TImes ^ | 10/8/2012 | Andrea Billups

Posted on 10/08/2012 7:10:12 PM PDT by markomalley

They have been playing defense elsewhere across the Midwest, but labor unions in Michigan have gone on the attack with a proposed first-in-the-nation amendment to the state constitution that would enshrine a right to collective bargaining for public — and private-sector workers — and invalidate any past or future laws to the contrary.

Proposal 2, backed by Michigan’s teachers and other public-employee unions, is being closely watched by labor and management groups across the country after a string of setbacks for the union movement in states such as Wisconsin and Indiana. Other states are likely to follow Michigan’s lead if voters approve the measure Nov. 6, analysts here say.

But Gov. Rick Snyder, who has a business background, generally has shunned the more confrontational approach toward labor adopted by fellow Republican governors such as Wisconsin’s Scott Walker. Much of the state’s business establishment also strongly opposes the measure, saying it will hurt competitiveness and take a big bite out of the state’s ability to control spending.

“It turns government unions into a superlegislature,” said F. Vincent Vernuccio, labor policy director of the pro-market Mackinac Center for Public Policy in Midland, Mich., which calls the measure costly and overreaching. “If passed, it will give government unions an effective veto over legislation passed by elected representatives.”

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
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To: rawhide

Te same way you can write a Second Amendment to the the US Constitution that forbids firearms regulations like NFA34 or GCA68.

Maintaining the political will to hold the amendment sacrosanct against future encroachments— that the challenge.


21 posted on 10/08/2012 8:15:30 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Wait a minute! Romney doesn't suck? I'm trying to keep up.)
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To: bill1952
Here's an indication of the manipulation they're using to push this proposal. They even changed the name of it to make their false victimization seem even worse.

Prop 2 Supporters Change Name
22 posted on 10/08/2012 8:18:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: markomalley

since the VAST majority of people don’t belong to unions, how could this trash possibly pass???


23 posted on 10/08/2012 8:30:01 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: terycarl

It will never pass - After the SEIU goons held a “vote” to “unionize” home caregivers and started to grab dues from these people trying to take care of their families with State aid they fought back and won.

the MI union goons are still all wee-weed up over losing the battle.


24 posted on 10/08/2012 8:49:31 PM PDT by Gasshog
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To: markomalley
and invalidate any past or future laws to the contrary.

Constitutional amendments can be REPEALED as well.

25 posted on 10/08/2012 9:15:08 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: markomalley

this in insanity. i hope michigan voters knock it down hard.


26 posted on 10/08/2012 9:18:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Didn’t the Chief of Police just issue a “no go” for the no man’s land formally known as Detroit?
These union communists have turned the highest paid per capita city into Benghazi on Lake Michigan in six short decades!
There will be a reckoning with these communist, it’s coming.


27 posted on 10/08/2012 9:27:42 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: markomalley

Does Michigan own the Unions -OR- do the Unions own Michigan?..

Pretty simple really.. The Unions have come way out of the closet..

The Workers Paradise LOOMS.. looms like a diseased Rat..
ALL of America should take notice even right to work States..

The Unions want to OWN your Freedom.. the sedition of it all is obscene...


28 posted on 10/08/2012 9:29:32 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: okie01

They legally contributed to campaigns. It was the elected official that gave away the store in exchange. Is that the kind of rep you voted for? Not me. The system is corrupted I agree but I place blame with those that were supposed to be on the taxpayers side of the bargaining table.


29 posted on 10/08/2012 9:50:26 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: bill1952

You have offered nothing to the discussion other than an unthinking insult.


30 posted on 10/08/2012 9:53:14 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Jonty30

Are you saying Americans should not be allowed to gather and organize?


31 posted on 10/08/2012 9:56:07 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Are unions legal in China?

Side note, they could sure use one at that iPhone factory


32 posted on 10/08/2012 9:58:38 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Truth hurts, doesn’t it. Maybe next time you should think before spouting communist talking points.


33 posted on 10/08/2012 10:01:44 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

There is nothing wrong with gathering. This is already protected under the Constitution. You just can’t use government force to force the population to respect and obey your dictates, is all.


34 posted on 10/08/2012 10:02:09 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: markomalley

LMBO!!!
The scumbag Democrats want to turn Michigan into one great big Detroit!
Hahahaaa...!


35 posted on 10/08/2012 10:05:36 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: gunsequalfreedom

“Gather and organize” is way far and away from what the state enforced bargaining monopolies called “unions” are today. Is there a single one that can survive without laws requiring manadatory membership and dues? Can the unions survive except that they are allowed to use their compulsory union dues for political purposes?

You sound like a socialist despite your name and tagline.


36 posted on 10/08/2012 10:06:51 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety

I think gunsequalfreedom is Bob J. It seems to fit his modus operandi.


37 posted on 10/08/2012 10:10:41 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: markomalley
A PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION REGARDING COLLECTIVE BARGAINING CAUSE THE STATE OF MICHIGAN TO SELF-DESTRUCT

That's a more accurate description.

38 posted on 10/08/2012 10:33:04 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Gene Eric
Private sector bargaining is okay providing there is no special involvement from the state other than to prevent criminal activity.

There is one thing that needs fixing that would absolutely cure this mess: End the National Labor Relations Act exemption unions enjoy from anti-trust law. I have no problem with private employee-owned companies competing to supply skilled labor as a right of free association. It's union monopoly power that has destroyed product quality and kept labor from making the most of their best people.

39 posted on 10/08/2012 10:57:37 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: gunsequalfreedom
If you are upset At the deal the public employee unions got, blame the elected reps that gave it to them.the union reps did their job as they were supposed to do.

The problem with this idea is that the term of the contracts (particularly as regards retirements) exceed the term of the elected representatives. Hence, to take this position is to make changing representatives absolutely futile insofar as undoing a bad or even crooked deal is concerned.

40 posted on 10/08/2012 11:02:03 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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