Posted on 10/02/2012 9:35:34 AM PDT by bkopto
Those specific four are pretty good, but will never happen.
Why would those why knows nothing, pays no taxes, has no ID or cant read English vote for someone who will take away their vote?
my husband served as a USAF officer for 13 years and separated from active duty in 2011
you are correct there is a pro-USA mindset in the military however there is also a growing entitlement culture as well
social programs are abundant... craft classes at the family center... subsidized day care.. youth programs and the demand for free tylenol at the clinic... do military members deserve their pay? absolutely they do we spent three years in Japan away from family
I happen to believe military officer’s should contribute to the health care costs of their families.. if they don’t we won’t have enough money left to build the weapons to win wars ( see former sec gates comments on the drag of health care on the DOD budget)
back to the question...I am not for one second implying that the brave men and women should not be able to vote....only suggesting that military members and their families have as much as a pro-government perspective as the welfare recipient...controversial absolutely but sadly true.
let the flaming begin....
and when they make you take that test in Spanish (and I consider that a given) then most of the folks you want to vote won’t be counted.
It is incumbent upon conservatives to get their message out in a clear and concise manner. When we fail to do that the dims are able to rabble rouse.
If government were constrained to its Constitutional levels, it wouldn’t matter nearly as much who voted.
Simple.
If you are a net producer you get to vote, if not then no vote.
Exempt the military but all other government workers and contractors and anyone receiving public assistance gets no vote.
Aww shut up! Quit whining about the people in the wagon and get back to pushing it!
Do you remember the famous picture of the guy in Florida holding a ballot up to the light so that he determine if someone voted or not? Can you imagine a picture of the same guy holding a picture ID up to the light to compare the picture with the lady waiting to vote? We will be seeing that soon.
How did we get by in our elections in our past? Did Americans bring pictures to vote for Lincoln, Coolidge or Eisenhower?
Why not have voters leave a thumbprint and a signature next to their names on the voter rolls? Why not also video record the entrances and exits to polls? Those changes could be made with no fuss, no muss and no lawsuits.
Instead, politicians design rules imposing a mandate that people buy a government ID knowing that such rules will produce nothing but lawsuits. Why does government always make such dumb solutions that never really work?
“And prior to the 17th Amendment, we didn’t directly elect Senators, either.”
Exactly! There was a reason for that. The Founders only flaw was in not making the Constitution even harder to amend.
I have no problem with the test as long as the politicians have to take it too ... are you listening, Biden ?
Not all professors. See Post 44.
Perhaps it should have been impossible to amend. They can take it or they can leave it, but they don't get to change it unless they are strong enough to defeat its champions on the battlefield. If they want change badly enough, let them bleed for it first.
Well, I'm glad that it didn't take an all-out war to create the 1st and 2nd Amendments. It did take a war to change the slavery provisions. We have to take the bad with the good.
Make that two for the Heinlein proposal.
Would you be OK with members of the military who can afford only to rent being disenfranchised?
“This is fantasy land.”
Yep. But that doesn’t cancel the reality of the problem.
In the USA we constantly emphasize the “right” to vote, but no one ever talks about the responsibilities of voting.
Some simple adjustments can be made immediately
- voters must re-register and confirm address every 2 years
- registration closes at least 3 weeks before an election, or enough time to verify voter rolls and data
- Must have Gov’t issued photo ID when voting.
As I recall, active members of the military were exempt since they were serving in the protection and defense the country.
Someone would come up with the idea of selling small (1 inch?) plots of land so the incompetents would “own land”
What? Yes, really, because if people memorized enough of these answers, they could pass a basic American History test and become voters.
I'm not saying the test should be the same exact version each time, where a simple "cheat sheet" would work! Obviously, the test should be sufficiently engineered so that cheat sheets cannot be used, as is the customary countermeasure in any decent educational institution.
The whole point is knowing enough about American history, which involves basic recall and recognition.
I think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be. Everyone knows DMV photos rarely have much more than a passing resemblance to what we actually look like. Believe me, my wife looked a hell of a lot different from her DL photo when she was in the middle of chemotherapy.
What is more important IMO, is that the name on the DL matches the name of the prospective voter, and the address reflects that on the voter rolls. This isn't going to make elections 100% fraud free, but it will make wholesale fraud more difficult. Combine voter ID with regular rolls purges, and we may finally get to the point where my vote actually counts again.
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