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To: Secret Agent Man
The dietary and ceremonial laws God gave to the Jews are not the eternal, universal unchanging, spiritually perfect laws of God as sumarized in the 10 commandments, for example. your statement says you put all/of that on the same plane, that it’s all only applicable to the jews. that is not right.

The laws in Leviticus 20 are not dietary or ceremonial laws, but how to deal with sinners, such as those who curse their mothers or fathers and those who commit adultery. In Leviticus 20, the punishment for such offenses is death.

If the OT laws are fully applicable to everyone, Jew and Gentile alike, then do you believe that someone who curses their father or mother and someone who commits adultery should be put to death without exception as it commands in Leviticus 20?

Or, do you believe that we should forgive 70 times 7 trespasses as Jesus commanded in Matthew 18:22?

The whole bible is Gods Word and is applicable fully. And it has to be because those that are not yet saved, God’s Word says they are under the Law right now

In Romans 10:4, Paul clearly states: "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

If what you say is so, then please explain what Paul means in Galatians 3 and Galatians 5. (Galatians 3:13 - "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree", Galtians 5:14 - "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.")

If the law of Christ in the NT does not supersede the OT, then the two are contradictory. You can't forgive a sinner 70 times 7 and put him to death for cursing his mother or father or for committing adultery.

If the laws of Leviticus were not meant to be superseded, then Jesus would not have interceded for Mary when the Pharisees wanted to stone her for adultery in John 8.

43 posted on 10/02/2012 3:27:30 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

being under grace gives us the ability not to punish according to God’s unchnging, perfect laws.

your very scripture confirms that only that those who believe are not under the law. you ignore plenty of NT scripture by Paul that clearly states those who are not saved are currently dead in their sins and the law convicts them.

you can believe what you want, just be aware it’s not biblical. i don’t feel like we’ll go anywhere so I’ll just say see ya later.


44 posted on 10/02/2012 5:23:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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