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To: markomalley
Because you, apparently, are interested in dealing solely with the individuals, not what taught the individuals to espouse their attitudes.

And you obviously wish to absolve responsibility for antisocial "attitudes" because they've been "taught."

Demagogues are not demagogues because they drive public sentiment; they are demagogues because they tap into already existing sentiment, and articulate it.

Ronald Reagan's famous quote about liberals "knowing so much that isn't true" isn't famous because people are automatically slaves to what they have been taught. They have a choice, and are responsible for that choice. And that should be particularly true in the case of people who pride themselves on being iconoclasts.

Further, it is facile in the extreme to blithely claim nothing is going to change unless some abstract concept is dealt with, then use that as an excuse to do nothing until that unproven assertion is changed.

In effect, you are advocating the mentality of a jealous girl who wants to punish her rival, rather than accept the fact her boyfriend rejected her.

51 posted on 09/30/2012 12:54:58 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger
And you obviously wish to absolve responsibility for antisocial "attitudes" because they've been "taught."

Not at all.

Those who are guilty of crimes must be punished. Obviously.

But if you don't get rid of the underlying problem (a culture of entitlement to government handouts...accompanied by a culture of envy encouraged by "community organizers"), you're just going to breed more and more of it.

Demagogues are not demagogues because they drive public sentiment; they are demagogues because they tap into already existing sentiment, and articulate it.

(and so on from your post)...

So are you saying that these people are genetically defective? They are born and bred to have criminal behavior?

Are you saying that they were not taught to be that way through their parent, their "education", their pop culture, and their environment?


The bottom line is this:

There are essentially three choices:

  1. Maintain the socialist status quo, arrest those who are caught in crime, and continually bitch about these people being nothing better than animals;
  2. Arrest those who are caught in crime, get rid of the nanny-state utopia that exists in those areas, and try to re-form their culture;
  3. Completely burn it out and remove the defective genes from the human gene pool before they spread.

You cite Reagan's "A Time for Choosing" speech from the very beginnings of the "Great Society."

That very speech reinforces exactly what I was saying. Not only did he say that liberals "know so much that isn't so," he also discussed those ill-advised social programs causing the breakup of family:

But seriously, what are we doing to those we seek to help? Not too long ago, a judge called me here in Los Angeles. He told me of a young woman who'd come before him for a divorce. She had six children, was pregnant with her seventh. Under his questioning, she revealed her husband was a laborer earning 250 dollars a month. She wanted a divorce to get an 80 dollar raise. She's eligible for 330 dollars a month in the Aid to Dependent Children Program. She got the idea from two women in her neighborhood who'd already done that very thing.

He, and other luminaries, forecast what we are seeing this day. And if we DON'T recognize the problems that are being caused by this socialism and deal with those root causes...we doom ourselves and our children to seeing more of it. Could that have been part of the "thousand years of darkness" he warned about?

54 posted on 09/30/2012 3:11:29 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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