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Walmart employees 'ripped up woman's $100 bills because they thought they were fake'
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 9-16-12 | By Nina Golgowski

Posted on 09/16/2012 11:11:18 AM PDT by rawhide

A mother who says Walmart employees intentionally humiliated her after wrongfully ripping up two of her $100 bills while believing they were fake is taking legal action against the store.

According to her complaint: 'The cashier inspected the $100 bill, turned to another cashier and had a brief discussion, and returned to her register telling Plaintiff that her money was "fake."

'The cashier proceeded to rip the $100 bill in half without performing any counterfeit detection tests. The metallic strip in the $100 bill was clearly visible.'

After marking the bill with the detection pen, revealing a yellowish colour across it, Ms Garcia said she explained to the cashier of that colour meaning it was legitimate, having previously worked in retail herself.

Detained at the front of the store while told the police had been called, Ms Garcia claims that adding to her humiliation, the employees told curious customers in passing that she was busted trying to use fake money.

After two hours at the front, police arrived around 4.15am and proceeded to inspect the bills in question.

Following a series of tests the first responding officer, identified as Officer Edwards, returned to Ms Garcia telling her that what the Walmart employee and manager had done was a 'terrible mistake.’

'He then approached the manager, who appeared upset by what he was told by Officer Edwards,' according to the complaint.

‘After speaking with Officer Edwards, Manager Russell approached Plaintiff and sarcastically stated that the police officers said the money was not counterfeit, though he disagreed.

‘At this time, he attempted to hand Plaintiff the two torn $100 bills he had misappropriated from her. When Plaintiff objected to receiving torn bills, Officer Edwards instructed Manager Russell to replace the bills he had wrongfully taken and destroyed.

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To: cynwoody
The most Walmart had a right to do in this case was to refuse her cash. If her story checks out, she's due a LOT more than $200.

No, because from the store's point of view, the issue isn't the suspected attempted use of fake money as much as the attempt to take their merchandise by paying with fake money, which is tantamount to attempted shoplifting.

So if the store is allowed to temporarilly detain someone on the suspicion of shoplifting, they should also be able to detain them for suspected counterfeiting, so either one can be properly investigated, since either act, if successful, would have resulted in the theft of the store's merchandise.

We are going to bankrupt our businesses, the Walmarts and the Mom and Pops alike, if juries keep handing out large awards anytime a customer is aggravated or inconvenienced because of the stupidity of a store employee or manager - not to mention encouraging the con artists to come out of the woodwork and start creating victim scenarios to enable them to sue. Heck, why jump in front of a speeding car and risk serious injury or death, if all you have to do is spend a couple hours standing around in the department store. I'm sure this lady wasn't a scammer. But make her rich over this, and the scammers will and con artists will descend like the vultures they are.
161 posted on 09/16/2012 8:03:31 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: zencycler
zencycler said: "That's about the most I'd support in this case. "

Did the woman get fired from her job because she had been detained by WalMart? Did her employer have to bring in some other employee to do the woman's job? Did the woman miss an employment opportunity because of the detention? Were the woman's children or other dependents properly cared for during her unexpected absence.

Law Enforcement are permitted to detain people based on reasonable suspicion that the person committed a crime. What is reasonable about testing a bill, having the test indicate that it is genuine, and then claiming otherwise?

What is reasonable about tearing up the bills? What is reasonable about the police being able to determine the true nature of the bills TWO HOURS after a WalMart manager had an opportunity to do so?

I'm no expert on punitive damages, but I believe they are appropriate when the party being sued is demonstrated to have failed to take proper steps to eliminate a problem.

An example I would use to support the need for punitive damages is concerning the gun laws of Kalifornia. Despite the Heller and McDonald decisions, the Kalifornia legislature is behaving as if, by some incredible coincidence, their dozens of pages of gun laws just happen to be consistent with those Court decisions.

It's not unreasonable for the woman detained by WalMart to examine whether the company has taken steps in the past to reduce false detention of customers.

162 posted on 09/16/2012 8:04:12 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: zencycler
Walmart injured the woman as a result of their gross incompetence. This is demonstrated by the fact that their employees were (1) not trained in the use of the iodine pen, (2) damaged the bill (proving ill will towards the customer instead of careful preservation of evidence) and (3) humiliating her in front of other customers.

Walmart needs to pay up. Admittedly, $75K is probably too much, but she deserves a chunk of change. If it happened to me, I'd probably settle for expenses plus firing the employees involved, with negative references.

163 posted on 09/16/2012 8:16:01 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: William Tell
Did the woman get fired from her job because she had been detained by WalMart? Did ... ? (etc., etc.)

A lot of hypothetical questions, starting off with "Did ...". I was naturally responging to those posters who, on the facts presented so far, thought this lady should bet buckets of money to compensate for being detained over this issue.

Sure, if she can show these two hours resulted in some other actual damages, like the ones you cited, then pay her more. And if she wants a lawyer to investigate whether Walmart routinely detains people under a mistaken belief, then she naturally could do that. But anything the lawyer turned up would likely be something that would provide a small benefit to many (under a class action suit) but not any large benefit to her. At least, that's what should happen, in my opinion, since any widespread detention of others has no bearing on how much she was harmed for those two hours.

164 posted on 09/16/2012 8:21:03 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: William Tell
Okay, I don't know HOW I turned everything red just now. I meant to italicize the first line, which didn't happen, so maybe that has something to do with it.

Also, when I said "should bet buckets of money" I naturally meant "should be given buckets of money"

Sorry, didn't proofread (hope I'm not sued over this).
165 posted on 09/16/2012 8:25:03 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: antceecee

Are there really any fired TSA? Looks like they just transfer them to Atlanta.


166 posted on 09/16/2012 8:30:03 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: cynwoody
but she deserves a chunk of change. If it happened to me, I'd probably settle for expenses plus firing the employees involved, with negative references.

"With negative references" ... wow. Note to self (if it's not already too late) - Don't piss this guy off!

Peronally, I'd take more pity on people who were this stupid, even if it had adversely affected me for a couple hours. The fact that they have to work for low pay at a place like Walmart is punishment enough.
167 posted on 09/16/2012 8:32:34 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: zencycler
zencycler said: "... since any widespread detention of others has no bearing on how much she was harmed for those two hours."

I don't agree. Suffering UNINTENTIONAL distress happens all the time for many reasons. The distress the woman suffered becomes NEGLIGENCE on the part of WalMart if they had a duty to prevent the distress. Such a duty could probably arise if prior similar cases had provided WalMart the opportunity to change their ways.

The actions of the manager seem so unreasonable to me that I would want to investigate whether the manager had some axe to grind that played a part in the woman'w detention. The actions of WalMart might be revealed to have been INTENTIONAL. Intentionally detaining someone on false premises is a felony.

Perhaps since I have been a manager my expectations for what a WalMart manager should be capable of are too high.

168 posted on 09/16/2012 8:45:27 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: cynwoody

If I were the judge I’d say at least 10 grand, no more than 15, commitment from Walmart to reexamine their employee training.


169 posted on 09/16/2012 8:54:46 PM PDT by Tuanedge
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To: zencycler

If the manager knew how to spot a phony $100 bill, he would have clamped down on the cashier immediately, because this incident was never going to escalate into anything but bad PR for Walmart.

The manager was also PO’ed that the cop told him the bill was legit.


170 posted on 09/16/2012 9:08:14 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: zencycler

If they were incompetent enough to have used a counterfeit detection pen, seen that bill was legit and then torn up the customer’s money, then detained the customer for two+ hours?

Yes. I’m not coming down on the side of the plaintiff because it’s Walmart. I’m coming down on the side of society that wants to persecute and extirpate stupid people.

I’m not the cuddly-fuzzball type of conservative. I fully support evolution, and I want to see stupid people be denied the ability to live, much less breed.


171 posted on 09/16/2012 9:12:19 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: rawhide

That Wal-Mart better get it together...after all the $100. bill is the new $20. after “Helicopter” Ben Bernanke gets thru with us!


172 posted on 09/16/2012 9:18:32 PM PDT by Drago
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To: zencycler
Peronally, I'd take more pity on people who were this stupid, even if it had adversely affected me for a couple hours.

I guess it comes down to whether your beef is with the corporation or the employees.

I take a dim view of authoritarian fascist nazi wannabes. It's best they be consigned to wannabe status (or worse) in perpetuity.

On the other hand, I'd be willing to let the stockholders of WMT off with a relative wrist-slap for being stupid enough to invest in a company stupid enough to hire the like of this story.

It's instructive to compare Ms Garcia's experience to my own recent interaction with United Airlines. United lost my checked bag on a recent flight through their main hub at Chicago's O'Hare. Seems the computer was down in Chicago during the layover (which was extended 1.5 hours due to the outgoing flight crew not arriving on schedule). It took them seven days to get my bag to me. But all the UAL people I interacted with were very nice, tried to be helpful, and were apologetic in their impotence. Therefore, if I were to bother to sue UAL, it would be solely to take a bite out of the corporate hide, not to punish individual members of a dysfunctional organization.

173 posted on 09/16/2012 11:21:37 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Drago
after all the $100. bill is the new $20. after “Helicopter” Ben Bernanke gets thru with us!

It's becoming ever more clear, Governor Perry had the right idea about dealing with traitors!

174 posted on 09/16/2012 11:31:46 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: William Tell
Prior cases, as you point out, would relate to whether Walmart was liable on grounds of negligence. But that doesn't really matter, because they're already liable on other grounds ("strict liability").

They're liable for damages to compensate her for how much she was harmed, which, in my view, is not that much. My point was that prior cases "have no bearing on how much she was harmed".
175 posted on 09/17/2012 4:17:38 AM PDT by zencycler
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for insulting my wife.

Perhaps you should be shown the door. Nice tag line.

You belong at DU


176 posted on 09/17/2012 6:42:39 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: IslamE

It is not sufficient to just complain. What are YOU doing about it? We all have a stake in The Republic. I don’t vote for the candidate who will give me the most freebies. I vote what I feel is best for the country. Now, if you can convince the 40% who take, and do not give, we could have a winning solution. I KNOW that my SSDI and VA Disability are going to winnow away. Yet I still vote for fiscal responsibility. I am not always pleased with the choices we have, but they are what we have.


179 posted on 09/17/2012 4:28:26 PM PDT by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: PJBankard
Contact your local police department or United States Secret Service field office. These numbers can be found on the inside front page of your local telephone directory.

Stupid advice. First, who is going bother to call the Secret Service? Local police? They'll yawn. Just take it to a bank and they'll handle all of that for you.

180 posted on 09/17/2012 4:35:10 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useful idiots.)
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