I agree with 9YearLurker.
Bush failed when he declared Islam as a religion of peace. Bush was one of the main instigators of the policy that "if we just bring them democracy everything will be better". Britain installed dictators for a reason.
Obama has basically followed Bush's lead in trying to spread democracy. An explosion of democracy was basically what Bush projected when he introduced democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan.
It's kind of hard to blame Obama for supporting groups that are claiming to fight for democracy. But the question is a democracy of what. Of Jew hating militant Islamists?
The one thing I would fault Britain for, is that they probably could have done more when they had control to change the culture of these countries.
My answer to Lurker:
I believed once - a long time ago - that people in the middle east wanted freedom. But for years now I’ve realized it isn’t true. Muslims don’t want freedom - they want the ‘stuff’ that a free society can produce - but they want it under Islamic law. And that’s not possible unless they’re lucky enough to live under a money tree or be born on top of a pool of oil. Some cultural ideas produce wealth - some produce violence.
Islam is so intertwined with governing that religion and state can’t be separated without outside force. There will never be a true ‘rule of law’ type democracy in an islamic country.
Our ideas are incompatible with Sharia.
Most freepers understand that - and have expressed it over the years. And we learned that by watching the world - we don’t have access to the same level of intelligence reports that Obama and Hillary have. Obama should have based US policy on knowing how Sharia works - he had a Pakistani room-mate in college after all... And he has all the intelligence agencies of the United States working to give him reliable information. I don’t think he sent them all away so he could follow Bush’s lead... silly stuff there.
Sharia is so controlling it tells men how to push back their hair. What fingers to use. Really.
When Hillary expressed surprise that these people would pay us back for liberating them with violence, it told me she had no clue how everyday people in the ME feel... United States policy should be based on reality not wishful thinking. The reality is what you’re seeing on your TV screen - and it’s going to get worse as they perceive us as ‘weak’.
Tell me, did you think apologizing was a good idea? Or did you think it would inflame Muslims? My guess is you knew 9YearLurker. You knew it was a bad idea just like the rest of us. Now ask yourself, why didn’t Obama and Hillary know. How can you explain that?