Long-Form Birth Certificate of Obama is a Forged Document

Israel Science and Technology Directory ^ | 9/11/12 | unknown

[Triple]

BTW - Did you notice how they back down when challenged to scan a cancelled check in to a pdf, with whatever settings they want, and post the resulting file and methodology.

They don’t do it because they can’t produce anything like the WHLFCOLB - even though they claim that the WHLFCOLB.pdf is just a standard scan with some combination of optimization and OCR.

[ILS21R]

“You want me to look for something to support your outlandish claims? Sure, right after you give me a foot massage.

I know why you’re reluctant to provide any backup for that post. We all do. After all, why spend time trying to find that which doesn’t exist. There’s still time to man up and admit the truth. No one will think that badly about you.”

I know the truth and the law.

And now I know you’re lazy.

I win.

[ILS21R]

“BTW - Did you notice how they back down when challenged to scan a cancelled check in to a pdf, with whatever settings they want, and post the resulting file and methodology.”

Yes.

They are sad ignorant creatures void of logic and reason.

[Natufian]

I know the truth and the law.

Sure you do. Meanwhile, in the real world, some evidence to support claims usually helps one get taken seriously.

[stockpirate]

Great info, however the last part with a Rush quote, well Rush was and remains one of the biggest conservative media whores I refered to, a long with Hannity, Levin, and yes, ALL of the rest of them

[Dajjal]

obumpa

[ecinkc]

Are you relying on half truths and shallow arguments because they represent the full extent of your capacity to comprehend? Or, is it because you care more about persuading people that you’re right than you do about getting to the truth by carefully delving into the strongest arguments of those who oppose your view.

If I were a person who cared primarily about rhetoric and sophistry, I too would say something like, “It’s been proven time and time again that scanned documents often have layers.” And then when someone started to pin me down about the details of this particular layer pattern, I would say, “Now, honestly the digital file doesn’t really matter at all because Hawaii has come right out and said that what is on the White House is the real thing.”

If you were a person deeply concerned about getting to the truth on this issue, wouldn’t you want to be wrestling through the best evidence on either side. Wouldn’t you want to concede (if for no other reason than to attest to your own intellectual honesty) that in truth no one has yet gone on record with a good explanation of how a document with the particular kind of layering (such as the presence of more than one single-bit layer) can be produced simply through normal scanning and conversion processes? Come on, I’ve confronted you about this once; sharpen your argument. “Scans produce layers,” just isn’t good enough anymore, and I’m going to be expecting better out of you!

Then onto your “Besides, those silly layers don’t matter anyway, given what the HDOH has said.” Yes, I too would take that approach here if all I cared about was persuading a bunch of the least discerning people that sometimes read these boards. But surely you have loftier goals than that?

So in light of that, I just know that you’re going to get that hand back down and bury that head of yours in your research, and you’re going to spend some real quality time deciding how it is that we can expect anything but evasive legalese and weasel words from government officials in Hawaii, given their track record thus far.

Again, just so we can have some peace of mind as we spend our valuable time rebutting and attempting to reason with you, help us to know that logic and reason are actually worth something to you. Please take some time to explain why we should not be concerned in the least by Governor Abercrombie’s definitive statement that “It’s actually written down in the archives” and Loretta Fuddy’s 8-weeks of verbiage negotiations and delays with Ken Bennett before finally, reluctantly releasing a “verifcation” that has substantially different wording than the next version of the verification to eventually arise from the HDOH’s shadowy situation room.

After you fill us in on how to add all that up as innocent and normal, take a moment clear up what Nagamine meant when she told Mike Zullo, “Yes, but you still have a valid driver’s license!” Don’t know what I’m talking about? Better get back to your studying. After all, it’s the truth you care about isn’t it? Oh and by the way, why has Hawaii decided that it would just be all too bad for them to release the birth certificate of long deceased Virginia Sunahara to her brother. Wasn’t it on the basis that it’s just to brittle to photocopy? So concerned were they about that brittleness that they paid real money to fight Duncan Sunahara in court! Now why was that all perfectly within reason again?

You see, if you’re going to get me to come around to the truths you’ve carefully distilled out of all this, you’ll have to get me past my childish notions that just maybe the Hawaii government has behaved as something less than a paragon of honesty, transparency, impartiality and forthrightness.

I think the last time I tried to help you along, I mentioned that I don’t have a lot of time for web forum conversations. Let me now add that if the best you can manage is to keep trying to lead us to the truth with fluff like this, I may just give up on you completely.

Now hit those books, and give me something to think about. I’ll do my best to humbly receive your instruction as soon as you start guiding me through the meatier challenges of this debate.

“Lot’s of scans make layers, and besides the boyscouts in the Hawaii government came right out and told us everything is okay.”

No more of that here, please. No thank you.

[editor-surveyor]

Please do not hold your breath!

[ecinkc]

Of course not. I just wanted to bring sharp focus on the fact that cynwoody is not trying to get to the bottom of this. For one reason or other, she is merely trying to keep others from considering that Obama may be hiding behind a forgery and suborning perjury.

For reference, here is my post that exposed (as I'm sure numerous others have done better than me) cynwoody on the layers issue. And for those who are curious, her brilliant response follows somewhere farther down the thread. You can see that she has no excuse to again spew this drivel of hers.

I really am able to appreciate and be challenged by the arguments of someone who completely disagrees with me on this issue--when I have a smidgen of evidence that he is both intelligent and genuinely interested in getting to the truth. I confront myself all the time with what I consider to be my opponents' best arguments, and find myself wondering if I'm enslaved my own bias or if I've missed something important. I've been wrong before, and I will be again. On certifigate, the conclusion I've reached thus far still just seems inevitable to me. Sometimes I go looking for a conscientious friend whom I can beckon to beat some sense into me on this, but alas I just can't seem to be "brought to my senses" by their valiant, but tragically deficient attempts.

But then, perhaps to my discredit, a deceptive propagandist like cynwoody can also sometimes provoke me to come out of my shell and say a "few" words.

In any case, thanks for that advice. I'll keep breathing, while cynwoody slips away to some other thread where she will keep trying to confuse people, hoping no one will be quick to call her out.

[cynwoody]

you’ll have to get me past my childish notions that just maybe the Hawaii government has behaved as something less than a paragon of honesty, transparency, impartiality and forthrightness.

By all means, go for it! Blow that 51-year HDoH conspiracy wide open! Why, stand behind those PDF artifacts, how dare they!!

[ecinkc]

Are you guys following the logic here?

CYNWOODY: Scans often make layers, besides Hawaii says the white House pdf is accurate to the original in their files.

ECINKC: Never those kinds of layers, and Hawaii has a distinct pattern of deceptive word games and double talk when it comes to Obama’s documents.

CYNWOODY: Okay, mister smartypants why don’t you just tell us all then how Hawaii has managed to pull-off this conspiratorial hoax for 51 years?

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One of the things that helped me get really interested in the eligibility controversy in the first place was the number of people who started popping up at FreeRepublic under the pretense of being conservatives making posts purporting to offer sober discretion and urging people with questions that seemed legitimate to just stop doubting Obama’s birth narrative. I might have believed they were innocently misguided or ill-informed until I saw that they simply weren’t engaging in principled arguments.

People who employ logic like cynwoody’s and who refuse to learn when reasonably corrected only serve to strengthen my resolve that Obama and his followers are genuinely worried that eventually the truth will be uncovered.

I propose that the reason liberals don’t hesitate to employ deceptive rhetoric is because they subscribe to a world view in which nothing is truly right or wrong and thus, for them, the end justifies the means. If their “little white lies” will help to move socialists into positions of power, then by all means they must lie, lie, lie! It’s the only way they can save us from ourselves, since we are not able to grasp their high-minded insights on our own.

Since you’ve decided you’re not even going to try, cynwoody, please just stop right now. Trickery and empty deceit are unbecoming for anyone; so, begin looking for pursuits in life that are noble and honorable, instead.

Who knows? It may not yet be too late for you to change your ways.

[Triple]

Thanks for posting your thoughts on this thread. You have a very good way of expressing your ideas.

Best regards,

[ecinkc]

Thank you for your kind words and for posting this article. It was my pleasure to jump into the discussion.