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Four More Years...and Social Security Disability Will Be Broke
Townhall.com ^ | September 9, 2012 | Political Calculations

Posted on 09/09/2012 6:33:14 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: tacticalogic

Of course it is intentional, but not just by 0bama. Remember when President Bush wanted to give the people a choice to invest either in pension funds or those close to retirement go with Social security and those already on Social Security? The left acted like as if investing in your pension fund was such a horrible thing and ridiculed him for it


21 posted on 09/09/2012 7:39:34 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: P.O.E.
Except for those who collect under various names.

Well even if they have various names they should not have various SS numbers.

I am not naïve enough to believe it doesn’t happen but even so it is no reason not to pursue a relatively simple procedure to reduce the fraud in the system.

Eventually the criminals will work around this but you have to do what you can do.

22 posted on 09/09/2012 7:39:39 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: spokeshave

That’s Greece. This is about the United States. Different places


23 posted on 09/09/2012 7:42:09 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin

This will be fairly easy to stop. The military has been dealing with false disability claims for years.

To start with, compile a list of legal disability claims, and compare it to what prognosis, if any, is used for treatment.

For example, is someone is missing a limb, it is pretty straightforward that they would need at least a small permanent disability to overcome that handicap. So they are in the “always good” category.

However, if someone is disabled over a complaint for “severe back pain”, first determine if they have a prescribed course of treatment, therapy or amelioration.

That is, if they have severe, crippling back pain, but are not seeing a doctor for it regularly, and have no prescribed medications or course of treatment, then even if they are indigent, they should be in the Medicaid program. If they refuse, they are not disabled.

This works by making medicine a minor hassle. If people really have a disability, a minor hassle is no problem, because they have a strong need. But if they are faking, a minor hassle is a major hassle, because they have to visit doctors, undergo therapy, at least regularly pick up prescription medicines, etc. They want to be home watching TV and drinking beer, not spending their time taking care of an imaginary problem.

The next step is to grade disability by retirement income. If they are getting a tiny income, they get full disability if they are fully disabled. But if they have a six figure retirement income, they do not need disability.

The downside to this is that it does require some degree of disability review on a periodic basis.


24 posted on 09/09/2012 7:43:16 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: spokeshave

BTW, there are plenty of people in the USA who are blind who also work hard at being shopkeepers and restaurant owners.


25 posted on 09/09/2012 7:43:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: StAnDeliver
Minus the fact that Uncle Sugar merely funds UI, which is then administered by 50 different states with 50 different legacy operating systems

The operating system should not matter.

All of the systems (I believe) track recipients by SS number. Even if you have to resort to print recognition software to convert printed list to digital list of recipient by SS number you can come up with a list of individuals double dipping the system.

26 posted on 09/09/2012 7:45:12 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Huebolt

I think some of these people borrow the handicap tag from a relative who is disabled.
Illegal, but they are just following the role model of the president


27 posted on 09/09/2012 7:46:25 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: lurk

***I personally know people who are able-bodied who are on disability. They make up stuff like back problems, knee problems, etc.****

Sounds like my worthless brother-in-law (If you know him he probably owes you money). When Reagan became President he quit work with the claim...”I’m not gonna pay taxes to Reagan!”

He has not worked since 1981. He took a high school injury, parleyed it into a Vietnam war injury and has been on disability since.

He got very fat, which did break down his knees and managed to get knee replacements from the VA.

It t burned me up to watch him work on his roof, mow the yard, rebuild engines and vehicles for his own use, then when a visitor showed up he grabbed his cane and hobbled out to meet them. You would have thought he was on his last legs.
Then when the visitor leaves, the cane is thrown in the corner, the limp disappeared and he went back to piddling around the house.


28 posted on 09/09/2012 7:46:25 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Starboard
Government doesn’t want to solve it either. Incumbents would lose votes.

Isn’t amazing how legislators rarely lose votes for mismanaging government but do lose votes for doing what is obviously needed to prevent a catastrophe.

29 posted on 09/09/2012 7:51:17 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: muawiyah
BTW, there are plenty of people in the USA who are blind who also work hard at being shopkeepers and restaurant owners.

Yeah...I know...also I have seen blind people working as receptionists...and handling incoming calls to multiple extensions.

The other side of the coin is found on the Greek island of Ikaria

There's no magic bullet to living beyond the age of 100. But some places are on the right track.

National Geographic writer Dan Buettner seeks out "Blue Zones," a few pockets around the world where a higher number of people live for a remarkably long time.

The remote island of Ikaria in Greece is one hotspot of exceptional human longevity. Here, there are more healthy people over 90 than any other place on the planet.

Buettner and his team spent 15 months studying the centenarians of Ikaria. The trip was documented in a series of videos, in which the researchers identified eight major secrets to reaching a record-setting age

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ikaria-greece-longevity-secrets-2012-7?op=1#ixzz25z56aIz4

Regards

30 posted on 09/09/2012 7:51:56 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: Pontiac

Isn’t amazing how legislators rarely lose votes for mismanaging government but do lose votes for doing what is obviously needed to prevent a catastrophe.


Reminds me of the old saw: No good deed shall go unpunished. LOL


31 posted on 09/09/2012 7:54:20 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: lurk

SSI is a wholesale scam.

SSI is through SS so the “takers” can pretend they paid into the system and just had bad luck. Sure some SSI is legit and I am not including them as “takers”.

If we want to give free disability put the program under its own hat, don’t tie it to SS which participants had to pay for all through their working years.


32 posted on 09/09/2012 7:54:29 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Kaslin

Cloward-Piven™, socialism is not for sissy’s.


33 posted on 09/09/2012 7:55:52 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: All
If the president and his buddies get re-elected, then they will blame the failure of SSA on the republicans. Anything that goes wrong will be blamed on the GOP for not cooperating with the president.

It will be just the same old stuff: mess up the country and blame the republicans.

34 posted on 09/09/2012 7:56:00 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: lurk
I personally know people who are able-bodied who are on disability. They make up stuff like back problems, knee problems, etc.

I have a friend who works in the court system. He has on numerous occasions witnessed young, athletic, articulate men asking for reductions in their child support because they have been approved for disability.

There should be annual reviews of recipients, or better yet, offers of cash rewards for turning in scammers. Oh, wait, there's a marxist in the White House with no interest in reducing dependency. What was I thinking?
35 posted on 09/09/2012 7:59:06 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: OldArmy52

That’s what’s going on. Back pain with depression as a
secondary diagnosis is the ticket.


36 posted on 09/09/2012 7:59:52 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: babygene

I went on SS when I turned 62 but not on disability. Then when I turned 65 I went on full SS and Medicare


37 posted on 09/09/2012 7:59:59 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin
If you work while on social security while over 70 and contribute to a company 401K plan then you don't have to take the forced payout (after age 70.5) from that account.

Of course you have to take the forced withdrawal from any other plan that you may have.

So the strategy is to use the earned cash flow to convert the 401K into a Roth.

Spokeshave who is in this category.

38 posted on 09/09/2012 8:20:10 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: Kaslin
We went from the Americans with Disabilities Act forbidding discrimination in employment of disabled persons to a society where you can be called permanently disabled for treatable illnesses like asthma, depression, and the ubiquitous back pain.

I, too, have a relative who can work around the yard and house, go on vacations, go to the casino unaided - but around town the cane comes out accompanied by the grimace with every step.

39 posted on 09/09/2012 8:31:35 AM PDT by informavoracious (Abortions are unproductive wrongs, not reproductive rights.)
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To: muawiyah
BTW, there are plenty of people in the USA who are blind who also work hard at being shopkeepers and restaurant owners.

Yeah, like the proprietor of "Ray's Music Exchange" in The Blues Brothers. /s

40 posted on 09/09/2012 8:34:22 AM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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