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To: detective
Sometimes you have to take the lesser of two evils. Obama is evil and is destroying our country. If Obama wins things will be much worse. Romney vs. Obama is the difference between a bad cold and incurable cancer.

The lesser of two evils is still evil. Who would you vote for, Judas Iscariot or Pontius Pilate?

Even if Romney doesn't make things better he won't make things as bad as Obama.

I am actually very afraid of a Romney presidency.....there is still quite a bit of RINO infestation within Congress. I imagine a RINO led Congress would come up with all manner of "great" things like shamnesty. I imagine 0Care will still stand and fully expect our "reach-across-the aisle" friends to stab us in the back and work through some democrat agenda items, you know in the name of bipartisanship. All rubber stamped by Romney.

If you think there is no difference between Obama and Romney then you should add to your gun collection and stack up on ammo. You should probably grow your own food too. Things are going to get bad.

Thanks for the advice......that's what I've been doing. I've been phasing out all non-necessities and working towards going Galt. My goal is to try to teach my kids to be self sufficient.

I believe things are going to be bad no matter who wins. If I'm wrong, I've lost nothing. If I'm right, I'm hopefully prepared. But at least, my conscience will be clear.

69 posted on 09/04/2012 3:47:49 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Repeat Offender
“I am actually very afraid of a Romney presidency.....there is still quite a bit of RINO infestation within Congress. I imagine a RINO led Congress would come up with all manner of “great” things like shamnesty. I imagine 0Care will still stand and fully expect our “reach-across-the aisle” friends to stab us in the back and work through some democrat agenda items, you know in the name of bipartisanship. All rubber stamped by Romney.”

Interesting point. Republicans will stand up to Obama to a certain point but they will be expected to follow Romney. Democrats will hold out for what they want. The Courts and the bureaucracy will side with the Democrats and good, honest Americans lose.

This was the pattern during the Bush presidency.

I still think Romney is better than Obama. But your points are interesting and well thought out.

We need more conservatives in congress and the courts.

81 posted on 09/04/2012 4:23:23 PM PDT by detective
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To: Repeat Offender

“The lesser of two evils is still evil.”


That is a strawman argument. As Father Frank Pavone (National Director of Priests for Life) wrote a few years ago (in the context of abortion):

“it is morally acceptable to vote for the candidate who will do less harm. This is not “choosing the lesser of two evils.” We may never choose evil. ... [Y]ou would not be choosing evil. Why? Because in choosing to limit an evil, you are choosing a good.”

Here’s Father Frank’s entire column:

“I’m often asked what a voter can morally do if two opposing candidates both support abortion. I recommend asking a simple question: Which of the two candidates will do less harm to unborn children if elected?

For example, is either of the candidates willing at least to ban partial-birth abortion? Is either of them willing to put up some roadblocks to free and easy abortion? Will either support parental notification, or parental consent, or waiting periods? Has either of them expressed a desire to ban late-term abortion, or to support pregnancy assistance centers? How about stricter regulation of abortion facilities? Has either candidate expressed support for that idea? Nobody is saying that’s the final goal. But ask these questions just to see whether you can see any benefit of one of the candidates above the other.

One of the two of them will be elected; there is no question about that. So you are not free right now, in this race, to really choose the candidate you want. Forces beyond your control have already limited your choices. Whichever way the election goes, the one elected will not have the position we want elected officials to have on abortion.

In this case, it is morally acceptable to vote for the candidate who will do less harm. This is not “choosing the lesser of two evils.” We may never choose evil. But in the case described above, you would not be choosing evil. Why? Because in choosing to limit an evil, you are choosing a good.

You can have a clear conscience in this instance, because you know that no law can legitimize even a single abortion, ever. If the candidate thinks some abortion is justified, you don’t agree. Moreover, you are doing the most you can to advance the protection of life.

By your vote, you can keep the worse person out. And trying to do that is not only legitimate, but good. Some may think it’s not the best strategy. But it is morally permissible.

Cardinal John O’Connor, in a special booklet on abortion, once wrote about this problem, “Suppose all candidates support ‘abortion rights’? … One could try to determine whether the position of one candidate is less supportive of abortion than that of another. Other things being equal, one might then morally vote for a less supportive position.” (1990, “Abortion: Questions and Answers”).

What if there’s a third candidate who does not have a strong base of support but does have the right position? Of course, we should work like crazy to build up that person’s base of support to make him or her electable. But that is not done on Election Day. That takes years of work, which should start now.

Meanwhile, remember that your vote is not a vote for canonization. It is a transfer of power. We can vote for a less than perfect candidate because we aren’t using our vote to make a statement, but to help bring about the most acceptable results under the circumstances.”

http://priestsforlife.org/columns/columns2006/06-10-23choosingevil.htm


88 posted on 09/04/2012 4:41:44 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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