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To: rwilson99
Life of the mother can in fact be applied with the catholic ethic concept of double effect. As long as the intent of treating the infection that is inherent to the ectopic pregnancy is to save the mother’s life... And not to kill the child the action is ethical. Unfortunately... The secondary effect of the treatment is that the child, who’s life was already in peril, will likely pass away.

I agree with you and I’m not trying to argue with or contradict you, but just to be clear (and perhaps I’m misunderstanding you), an ectopic pregnancy is not an infection and it cannot be “treated” with antibiotics if that is what you are trying to say. An ectopic pregnancy is one where the egg implants outside the womb. In most cases the egg implants in the fallopian tube although in rare cases the egg can implant in the ovary, abdomen, on the intestines, or in the cervix, but none of these pregnancies can progress normally. Most ectopic pregnancies end up in early miscarriages and no permanent harm to the mother is done.

An infection or inflammation of the fallopian tube, among other conditions such as endometriosis, scar tissues from left from long gone infections, previous abortions or STD’s, previous abdominal surgeries including intestinal surgeries, previous tubular pregnancies or congenital abnormalities of the fallopian tubes, etc., can cause a blockage of the fallopian tube that can in turn cause an ectopic pregnancy but an ectopic or (tubular) pregnancy cannot be resolved by treating it as an infection. (And pregnant women and their unborn children can be safely treated with some antibiotics BTW).

Except in very, very rare cases, the only treatment of an ectopic pregnancy that doesn’t miscarry and progresses, is to terminate the pregnancy, either through medication if the baby has not already died, which is often the case or in emergency surgery.

Usually in tubular pregnancies, God or “nature” if you will takes its course early on and the pregnancy usually ends in an early miscarriage. But if no natural miscarriage occurs and the egg implants in the fallopian tube and the pregnancy continues and the fetus (baby) grows, the fallopian tube will eventually rupture which is very serious and life threatening to the mother - due to the large artery that runs on the outside of each Fallopian tube, hemorrhaging to death is a very real consideration in a tubular pregnancy, not to mention that her chances of every conceiving or carrying another child to term is greatly reduced if the fallopian tube ruptures.

A good friend of mine went through this some years ago and it was devastating for her and her husband as they really wanted a baby so much. Her OBY was devastated as well; he’s a good man, a good doctor and a pro-life Christian and he has been my GYN/OBY for over 25 years. But in my friend’s case, she was already in severe pain, lighted headed, bleeding and her heart beat and BP was very high, she was very close to having a full out rupture and hemorrhage. The doctor told them that this was a dire emergency and if she didn’t go into surgery ASAP, she could very likely die and whether he performed surgery or not, it was 100% certain that the baby would die, that the baby at only about 14 weeks, was as good as dead already and the only hope was to save her life.

She lost not only the baby but one of her fallopian tubes but she lived. A few years later, quite unexpectedly and miraculously, she got pregnant again and she and her husband brought home a beautiful, health full term baby boy. Two years later they brought home a healthy baby girl who they named “Hope Elizabeth”.

I am pro-life but in circumstances such as that that my friend when through, I would hate to think of a situation where she, because of a law intended to save lives, it ended up taking someone like hers. It’s certainly a fine line and a slippery slope when it comes to terms like the “health of the mother”, vs. a term like the “life of the mother”. But quite frankly it’s not always so black and white. I side with life but I don’t side with seeing a women die needlessly. My friend’s tragic but ultimately life affirming situation leads me to accept that sometimes, in perhaps rare cases, the life of the mother is a legitimate reason for not outlawing “abortion” if one can even call what happed to her an “abortion”, in any and all cases with no exception what so ever.

100 posted on 09/03/2012 4:10:03 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA

You might actually be doing a more complete job of explaining some of the issues involved in different cases.


109 posted on 09/03/2012 6:32:43 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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