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Karl Rove Wants to Kill Conservatives and Play Nice with Obama
Right Side News ^ | 9/1/2012 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 09/01/2012 3:58:59 PM PDT by RightSideNews

The liberals say they are scared of Karl Rove. They shouldn’t be. The former Senior Advisor and Deputy Chief of Staff during the George W. Bush Administration, Rove was called “Bush’s Brain” and is now the “Party Boss” of the GOP. He is raising up to $1 billion for various Republican Super-PACs, in order to elect Mitt Romney as president. That sounds impressive. But what is he going to do with the money? Perhaps conservatives have reason to be scared of Karl Rove as well. He recently joked about murdering Missouri’s strong conservative Senate Republican candidate, Todd Akin. Rove -- and Romney – had wanted Akin to leave the race because of the comments that he made – and apologized for – regarding abortion and rape. The controversy over Rove, however, goes far beyond a bad joke to questions about whether Rove actually wants to run a conservative campaign to defeat Obama. Rove made it clear, during the same meeting he trashed Akin, that he doesn’t want Republicans to accuse Obama of being a socialist. He thinks Romney can and should win by abandoning conservatives and wooing Obama voters.

Rove, a Fox News Contributor, was quoted as telling a super-secret meeting of Republican fat cats in Tampa, “We should sink Todd Akin. If he’s found mysteriously murdered, don’t look for my whereabouts!”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: conservative; karlrove; missouri; rino; romney; rove; toddakin
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To: ansel12

You’re very good at posting complaints and polemic. What is your proposed solution, then?


81 posted on 09/01/2012 11:43:02 PM PDT by Luircin (Don't like Romney? Blame the conservative circular firing squad.)
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To: Luircin

Do you think the fact that five days ago the republican nominee formally announced that he was against the current pro-life party platform on abortion, and that he was personally committed to ‘health of the mother’ meaning abortion on demand, is worthy of conservatives discussing it?


82 posted on 09/01/2012 11:56:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: RightSideNews
I don't think I agree with the article that Rove wants to lose. It's possible to see how someone could sincerely believe that Romney going "moderate" could win more votes. But only if you assume the conservative voters are going to turn out for Romney no matter what, purely out of hate for Obama. OTOH, it's just as easy to see how an unabashed conservative could win by articulating the benefits of conservative policy and changing hearts and minds on the issues.

Doesn't the very definition of success in the private sector almost always involve convincing people that your new idea is better than what you've seen before? Yet political consultants seem to assume the public are stuck in these static groups, and all they can do is try to appeal to different segments, but never actually try to change anyone's mind. It's a decidedly timid strategy, and could explain why Rove not only lost 2006 and 2008 to the Democrats, but also lost 2010 to the bold Tea Party candidates who actually offered something new for anyone who couldn't remember the Reagan era.

83 posted on 09/02/2012 12:22:28 AM PDT by JediJones (Upcoming Democrat Presidential Primary: Tuesday, November 6, 2012)
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To: taraytarah
If more Republican candidates stood their ground against the GOP, like Akin, maybe Jack Ryan wouldn’t have dropped out of the Senate race in 2004, and barack obama wouldn’t be sitting in the White House now.

Not sure if it's analogous. Extramarital group sex is probably still not something a campaign can survive.

84 posted on 09/02/2012 12:29:54 AM PDT by JediJones (Upcoming Democrat Presidential Primary: Tuesday, November 6, 2012)
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To: China Clipper

“So you are voting for the other guy?”

Yup. Sure am: Virgil Goode 2012.


85 posted on 09/02/2012 5:02:48 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (WILLARD 2012 - It's not just a campaign, it's a conservative suicide pact!)
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To: ansel12

What. Is. Your. Proposed. Solution?

If you can offer any alternatives to voting Romney or Obama, let’s hear them.


86 posted on 09/02/2012 10:17:51 AM PDT by Luircin (Don't like Romney? Blame the conservative circular firing squad.)
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To: fatnotlazy
Romney got the bulk of...the party’s financial resources.

Romney did not get any of the party's financial resources. You're making things up. Or you're very confused. Maybe you just mean he raised more money but that doesn't come from "the party". It comes from people.

Romney got the bulk of the favorable press

First of all the press is not in any way the GOP's "elite" or "establishment" or whatever the word is that you want to use. Nor are they anything else from the GOP. They are not the GOP period. The fact you think they are indicates a deep hallucinatory condition.

In any case your claim that Romney "got the bulk of the favorable press" is something you're making up as well. You probably can't give a single concrete example.

Again anyone who listens to you is a fool.

87 posted on 09/02/2012 11:41:09 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: JediJones

I think you need to survey Illinois Republican voters (including Conservatives), and see how that plays out. The GOP took away their choice. Their only choice.


88 posted on 09/02/2012 12:05:41 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: ansel12

You wanna talk abortions? Let’s talk abortions.

There are seven possible outcomes for 2012-2016.

1: Obama elected: Funding for abortions rises and number of abortions goes up.

2: Obama elected: Abortion percentage and funding thereof stays the same.

3: Obama elected: Abortion percentage and funding thereof is reduced.

4: Romney elected: Funding for abortions rises and number of abortions goes up.

5: Romney elected: Abortion percentage and funding thereof stays the same.

6: Romney elected: Abortion percentage and funding thereof is reduced.

7: Jesus returns and it won’t matter at all.

Now, which of these is most likely to happen?

I will laugh in the face of anyone who claims that the funding and number of abortions will go down under an Obama presidency. He is the most radical pro-abortion candidate we have had, EVER. For that matter, if he’s elected, then Obamacare WON’T be repealed and the abortion funding that’s contained within it will be put into effect. Not to mention the many possible executive orders that he’ll send out.

On the other hand, Romney’s promised to repeal Obamacare. Oh, sure, maybe he said repeal and replace, but if he gets into office, there won’t be a Democrat supermajority calling the shots. Even in a worst-case scenario and Obamacare DOESN’T get repealed at all or gets replaced with a Romneycare redux, the worst that will happen is that the number of abortions will stay the same as it would be under Obama.

So if you’re talking strictly about number of children killed under each Presidency? Obama wins on number of dead bodies in dumpsters, hands down.

If you cared about the number of abortions in this country at ALL, you would get behind Romney and then try to force him to a pro-life position. Because at least Romney, as he has shown, is amenable to conservative and pro-life influence, unlike the radical in the White House at the moment. He’s far from perfect, but even if there were only a 5% chance that the life of an unborn child would be saved, I’d vote for him, because we know that child would be murdered if Obama was prez.

YOUR constant kvetching about Romney and attempts to suppress the vote are making it more likely for Obama to win, and for more babies to be murdered if he does. I hope you’re happy with that on your conscience.

But I could be wrong. Please, if there is any position that we could take that would result in fewer murdered babies in which we DON’T have to support Romney for prez, tell me. I’d love to hear it.


89 posted on 09/02/2012 2:04:28 PM PDT by Luircin (Don't like Romney? Blame the conservative circular firing squad.)
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To: presidio9
Not really true ~ there were 16 candidates. 3 of them were actual lifelong Conservative Republicans. The other 13 weren't ~ could have been Democrat donors, formerly elected as Democrats, Democrat campaigners, Libertarians, etc.

Romney was among the 13, and they siphoned enough votes from real Republicans to make Romney's paltry 22% look decent.

It was probably planned to some degree ~ a number of them certainly got nice vacations at Romney's expense.

90 posted on 09/02/2012 7:34:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: presidio9
You are correct in that the party is wrong to credit states like New York with delegates when, in fact, we will never win there without an Eisenhower or a Reagan ~ neither of whom were sponsored by the GOP-e.

Back in the old days the Souf' got a few delegates just to keep their interest although the Republicans were usually not winning there. That same formula needs to be reinstated!

91 posted on 09/02/2012 7:44:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Luircin; ansel12
Luircin, your analysis depends on Romney not finding a way to gain a Leftwingtard coalition in the Congress made up of RINOs, pro-abortionists, and Democrats.

There's your pro-abortion crowd ~ in charge ~ so where do you go?

We even find Mittbots like Karl Rove speaking openly of murdering conservative and pro-life politicians.

The first thing we've gotta' do is GET RID OF THE MITTBOTS, THE GOP-e, THE RINOS, and THE DEMOCRATS

Caving into the Mittbots now to get rid of Obama does not advance the pro-life cause.

I think we need to make a big push on Rove and get him arrested, charged, tried and convicted during this election season. Put a little fear into those pukes!

92 posted on 09/02/2012 7:52:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: presidio9

‘Raisin’ Arizona’


93 posted on 09/02/2012 7:55:11 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (<)
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To: lentulusgracchus
I think Rove and his crowd of financiers who all had a good laugh about murdering a member of Congress ought to be arrested, charged, tried and convicted NOW. It's a class 4 felony in USC 18.

Those laws aren't made for just the little people.

94 posted on 09/02/2012 7:57:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

And HOW do you propose that we do all that? And what do you propose that we do NOW? Hmmm? Neither of you have offered any solution other than constant complaining and excruciatingly non-specific plans.

One thing I do know is that if Obama is elected, it’s not going to matter because the funding for abortions will skyrocket.

But you would seem perfectly happy to end all those unborn lives in order to get your revenge on Romney and the establishment.

Incrementalism is the name of the game in politics. There’s not going to be any kind of grand turnaround like you seem to desire, no matter how much you do. It took the left moving in increments to get us to this ugly situation; it’s gonna take increments to move it back.

The only thing we can do now is to purge the abortion-loving zealot Obama out of office right now and then lay the pressure on every GOP RINO in office. Primary them, deluge them, force them to be pro-life if they want to stay in office. And in the meantime, vote every time for the best possible candidate that has a chance of winning.

But if you have a better plan, I’d LOVE to hear it.


95 posted on 09/02/2012 11:35:00 PM PDT by Luircin (Don't like Romney? Blame the conservative circular firing squad.)
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To: Luircin

Incrementalism is the path to perdition ~ sometimes you need some hard core revolution ~ having Karl Rove tried for his crimes against Congressman Akin is a good idea.


96 posted on 09/03/2012 5:34:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Thank you for proving everything that I just said true.


97 posted on 09/03/2012 9:06:56 AM PDT by Luircin (Don't like Romney? Blame the conservative circular firing squad.)
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To: Luircin
You are dreaming if you think you can advance your cause incrementally against The Great Satan. The leftwingtards do that because they know you'll give way little by little.

The only thing they understand, or can understand, is brute force. Time to push their face in it. And we start with people who need their feet held to the fire!

98 posted on 09/03/2012 10:39:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Are you trying to tell me that you want a war or something?


99 posted on 09/03/2012 2:34:22 PM PDT by Luircin (Don't like Romney? Blame the conservative circular firing squad.)
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To: muawiyah

If you don’t want a war, then why don’t you tell me your plans to get a pro-life majority going? And be specific. “Drive out the RINOs” isn’t specific. It’s a goal, not a strategy.


100 posted on 09/03/2012 2:48:14 PM PDT by Luircin (Don't like Romney? Blame the conservative circular firing squad.)
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