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To: BlackElk
Now this is where it gets interesting isn't it? I've certainly read the hyperbolic allegations from folks such as yourself who've made these claims against Romney, but the funny thing is, he said Thursday night he was pro-marriage, pro-family and pro-life.

He said that in front of tens of millions of people watching on television across America. Now, that doesn't reconcile with your allegations does it?

Now, I'll tell you this: I live in Illinois. I've been writing about the EVIL that is Barack Obama since he became a state senator here. I was among those who stood against him as he ran for State Senate, then US Senate, then President. Where were you?

I was here in Illinois fighting against Obama when he helped pass abortion on demand, including INFANTICIDE, which permits abortions up until the day a child is born naturally here in Illinois.

I stood with the nurse who fought Christ Hospital (interestingly, a Catholic hospital) in Oak Lawn, and Barack Obama when babies were left to DIE on cold steel pans in storage rooms when they were aborted - right up to the day they could've been delivered ALIVE and SURVIVED. Where were you?

Point is, I've been in this fight longer than you against Obama - I have every interest as a CHRISTIAN (not a Catholic) in seeing him removed from office.

As for your "Catholic Christian" claim - I will remind you that YOUR POPE said Catholics are "not in union in the Holy Spirit" with those of us who are Christians, so I suggest you drop that label pronto.

220 posted on 09/01/2012 5:12:55 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

Mitt will be almost anybody’s huckleberry, at least for a day. That has to be easier to deal with than Barack Obama who could never be prevailed upon at all.


222 posted on 09/01/2012 6:48:29 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: usconservative
Your pom pom girl performance for Mittler is at great odds with those brave words but apparently now obsolete words of the first paragraph on your FR homepage about how you left the GOP in disgust in 1990.

It must be embarrassing to be you as I will demonstrate below.

Not only do you support lying Mittler and call it conservatism without apparent foundation, but you actually BELIEVE the man dubbed by his own campaign spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom as performing an "etch-a-sketch" for the general election. He SAYS he is pro-life (conveniently now that he is gulling the suckers in the grand old tradition of GOP-E lusting in heat for control over government and taxpayer's cash). Whatever reason would Mittler have to lie at this stage of his sorry career??? Habits of a lifetime are hard to break and all that but you, Mr. Independent "Conservative" actually claim to BELIEVE him???

Mittler called himself "pro-life" in 2004 as Taxachusetts' governor, CLAIMING to have been converted by his deep consideration of the relatively obscure side issue of embryonic stem cell research. While it is true that each instance of farming an innocent unborn baby for their stem cells to serve infanticidal selfish adults (Michael Fox, Christopher Reeve, etc.) who are medical cannibals in effect (or would you prefer medical vampires?), this is not at all a typical pro-lifer recruitment game changer and a red alert in and of itself. This was proven when Mittler signed into law Romneycare two years later in 2006. Romneycare included $50 abortions on demand for any woman who wants one and put Plqnned Barrenhood on the board of Romneycare. Deval Patrick canceled the $50 fee and made each baby murder "free."

Just last week, Mittler told SeeBS News that he supports a "health" exception to any restriction of abortion. This relates to the World Health Organization definition of "health" which would be a Magna Carta for babykillers. A woman can claim that continuing her pregnancy might spoil her figure or interfere with an appointment to have her nails done thereby upsetting her psychological equilibrium and therefore constituting a "threat" to her "health" Don't believe me? Look it up.

Romney CLAIMS to be "pro-family" and "pro-marriage." No one disputes that he has apparently been a loyal husband and a good father to is children. Likewise, no one can credibly dispute that he crammed fudgepacker "marriage" down the throats of every town clerk in Massachusetts in response to a State Supreme Judicial Court decision which provided him with absolutely no authority to do so. It is nice that he calls himself "pro-family, talking the talk for now until he etches the next sketch and that he walks the walk in his own marriage and family but he is NOT "pro-family" as to public policy. He also supports perverts adopting children and similar abominations just like Obozo.

You seem to make a distinction between the Catholic Church to which I belong and Christianity. Let's see if I can make even you understand history and language on this. As we type, pitcher C. C. Sabathia pitches for the New York Yankees (my long-time favorite team since I lived in Connecticut until 2000 and may favorite team ever since). Think of the New York Yankees team as a baseball equivalent of a specific religious denomination (like Catholicism, Lutheranism, Methodism or whatever). "Christian" is a broader category analogous to American League. You do not have to be a Catholic to be a Christian any more than you need to be a Yankee to be an American Leaguer. See how this works??? "Religious" is broad enough to include Jewish folks who are believers, Islamic folks who are believers, Buddhists, Shintoists and various forms of pagans who, however much their beliefs may diverge from yours or mine are nonetheless "religious." There are also atheists and agnostics who may be included as members of the human race, however wrong in my mind or yours. The analogy would (for simplicity's sake) would be human. Get it?

Now, as to Pope Benedict XVI, it should come as no surprise to the religiously literate that Catholics do not believe that we are "in communion" with a whole lot of other Christians as we understand that term. Come to a Mass on any day of the week at any cognizably Catholic parish (not some Kumbaya place in rebellion against the Vatican and papal authority) but the overwhelming majority of Catholic Churches, tell the priest beforehand that you are not Catholic, and IF he allows you to receive the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, provide me with the details and his name and the parish address and we Catholics will see to the rest. The only exception to this policy of which I am aware is that we will allow Eastern Orthodox Church members to receive the Holy Eucharist in our churches but, IIRC, the Orthodox will not knowingly admit Roman Catholics to the Holy Eucharist at Orthodox churches generally. This results from the Great Schism of, IIRC, the Tenth Century whose anathemas have been withdrawn by the Vatican and, I believe, by the Orthodox as well but their members should speak for themselves on the subject.

Since the "reformed" version of Christianity seems to have been the product of such as Luther, Calvin and Zwingli, you may recall that none of them were counted among the original apostles of my Savior and yours since none were contemporaries of your Savior and mine on earth.

Peter was one of those original apostles. See Matthew 16: 15 et seq. He was given the "keys of the kingdom" and what he would bind on earth was bound in heaven and what he would loose on earth would be loosed in heaven. Before he was martyred by Nero, he chose Linus to replace him and, by whatever means used at various times, there has been a succession from Peter to Benedict XVI of 266 popes according to the Catholic Encyclopedia. The Church did not die out with the death of St. John the Evangelist and go dormant until Luther. You, not being a member of the Roman Catholic Church may well disagree with the above which simply demonstrates that, although you may be Christian (I'll take your word for it) you are not a Catholic.

If you are, say, a Presbyterian, you would be a Christian gut not a Catholic. Any actual Catholic must necessarily be a Christian. Rome would not tolerate anything else aong Catholics.

Now, as to Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois, where Jill Stanek once worked, it is most certainly NOT a Catholic institution. It CLAIMS to be a Christian institution as suggested by its name and is affiliated with BOTH the Evangelical Lutheran Synod in America (ELCA) and with the misnamed United Church of Christ. Google is your friend. Whether the latter are actually Christian is a matter in doubt and varies from congregation to congregation. ELCA is still apparently Christian but not doing well as a Christian church. Members of the local churches of that denomination "call" their pastors to service according to their own tastes in doctrine (if any).

Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn is most certainly NOT and never has been a Catholic Hospital. Google Jill Stanek's article on World Net Daily as to its ownership and management. None other than the Rev. Mr. Jeremiah Wright himself served on the board of directors of Christ Hospital's owner (Advocate Health Care) from 1986 to 1989. Surprise, surprise, surprise!

Where was I??? In America and not in Chicagoland. I also live "here" in Illinois since 2000. So what? I have one life to live as do you. When Obozo was running for the United States Senate, I paid attention and opposed him as unsuccessfully as did you. I do not live in Chicagoland. In rural areas NW of Rockford, we have our own fish to fry as do you wherever you may reside.

I suggest that you should know what you are talking about before posting here.

ABORTION is also INFANTICIDE as your boy Mittler well knows.

As the late great Bishop Fulton Sheen used to say, if what its critics charge the Catholic Church with were true, he would not have been a member either.

223 posted on 09/01/2012 5:46:47 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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