Damned if you do...
Posted on 08/28/2012 2:15:07 PM PDT by STARWISE
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Floor fight: Grass-roots activists battle attempt to rig RNC delegate rules Updated: Palin: “direct attack on the grass-roots;” RNC power grab showdown 2pm; Rush weighs in; purge underway?; Rules Cmte votes 78-14 for deal; dissidents gather sigs for floor fight; Boehner/Sununu declare”no objections” over massive boos on floor
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Update 3:34pm Eastern Dissidents have until 3:47pm Eastern to gather enough signatures to force the floor vote, according to right-leaning Examiner’s Tim Carney, who is on scene. Left-leaning BuzzFeed’s Zeke Miller, also on scene, says it appears dissidents have gathered enough signatures for minority report on Rule 12, but not yet on Rule 15(16).
Carney says that Drew McKissck has emailed a minority report to RNC leaders within the rules deadline…
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Update: 4:34pm Eastern Well, that was…something else. First, Maine delegates were replaced with Romney people. Then, rules chairman John Sununu and GOP Speaker of the House John Boehner stood on stage at the RNC to rule on the compromise rules report. No minority report was mentioned. When asked for yeas and nays on the report, the room seemed equally divided. Boehner forged ahead and approved the report over loud boos and calls of “point of order” from activists on the floor.
No vote on the minority report.
FW’s Dean Clancy observes: “If @SpeakerBoehner had been wielding the Speaker’s gavel instead of the GOP convention gavel, he wouldn’t have gotten away with that trick.”
And the show went on…GOP Rep. Marsha Blackburn just declared that “this has been a great exercise in grass-roots” and that GOP stands for “Great Opportunity Party.”
Rob Port:
Watch until about 2:39:00 when Speaker of the House John Boehner takes the podium and asks for a voice vote on the rules. The “nays” from the floor were at least as loud as the “yeas,” but Boehner approved the rules “without objection.”
What a joke.
Meanwhile, a North Dakota delegate texted me from the floor of the convention saying that they were instructed to chant “USA” (you can hear it during the video) to drown out the dissenters.
Good for you, that makes you a doomsday cultist, who prefers Obama over any of them.
So was Buchanan when he said years ago, “The differences between the two beltway parties are inconsequential”.
It’s one big con-job.
Reagan campaigned to democrats as a conservative. Willard campaigns to democrats as a liberal.
Willard’s operatives went to my liberal sister’s house multiple times she said they sounded like they were from the Obama campaign they were so liberal.
Also interesting about the Reagan video is the informal crowd.
Again the “Paulers” did not take the actions to change the rules. The elites have had it on their agenda to silence the conservative and tea party movements since they began. The types of actions they are taking have long term consequences. If you think they did not understand the ramifications to their actions then you are not looking at the situation objectively.
and thus, is why Mittens is flailing like a fish, when faced with a Pseudo-Democrat and the Real thing, they will ALWAYS choose the 100% Socialist and you can't get much more left wing than Ubama.
When you speak the truth, plainly and justly, you have nothing to fear.
Because the truth has no agenda.
“Don’t be afraid to see what you see.” - Ronald Reagan
To those who say this was to smack down the Paulites better get wise. This was more than smacking Paul supporters, the “collateral damage” and consolidation of RNC power means that grass roots stays in the ghetto. They are also front loading the primaries as winner take tall.
Conclustion: GOPe will keep pushing their superpac funded establishment candidates (hello JEB!!!).
THere is a lot of grassroot objection to the rules changes as well, but yes, it is being driven by Ron Paul supporters, and sadly that is also why it had to be defeated. The Tea Party would have done much better if the paul supporters weren’t trying to cause so much trouble.
It’s like how a good group of peaceful protestors can be overcome by putting a few violent ones in their midst, “provoking” a police response.
Anyway, I wasn’t surprised by the Maine delegation move, there was a lot of issues about how the Maine delegates were chosen to begin with. Some of it was sadly apathy amongst the first-tier winners, with the paul supporters being much more dedicated and following through on the process.
So for example, according to the preference polls taken at caucuses, the projection was that Romney would get 11 delegates, and Ron Paul 10. But with the Paul people pretending to support Romney, and using every trick at their disposal, by the time all the conventions were done, they had 20 of the 24 delegates, in a state where polls showed Romney was preferred by the republicans by a sizable margin.
So yes, it is a bad thing that they are replacing delegates. But it’s the lack of control of the state delegate selection process (meaning the lack of a good, understandable and fair process) that leads to this kind of result.
And yet, I wish they hadn’t replaced delegates. Why stir up a hornet’s nest? Well apparently to avoid another problem — Ron Paul had somehow managed to slip enough delegates into IOWA to try to claim a majority, and there was apparently going to be a fight over nominations. Remember the “5-state rule”? The push was to get Ron Paul a 1/2 hour of nominating speeches attacking the GOP and it’s nominee.
You can tell from watching CNN — they are running a “twitter tracker” and all the tweets they are picking are Paul supporters trashing the GOP, trashing Romney, calling for a mass defection from the party, etc. Not the kind of people you want at your nominating convention — a convention which, whether you like it or not, is about SUPPORTING THE PARTY.
I’m fine with people NOT supporting the party. But if you don’t, then don’t show up at the PARTY CONVENTION, and complain and moan and try to destroy the party from within.
What are you gonna do about it? Answer: Call hateful epithets to people that don’t agree with you?
Voting for Romney is the same as voting for Obama; Soros was right.
I will vote conservative and ROMBAMA is not conservative.
There are two effective political parties in the USA: the Tea Party and the Statist Party; choose one. All else is an illusion.
There are two political classes in the USA today: the aristocracy and the peasantry; choose one.
There are two political forces in the USA today: the ruling class and the country class; choose one.
For cheerleaders of the GOP-e like you, you think the country will cease to exist if Obama wins. I guarantee that I and millions of others will still be here and even stronger to fight Obama, should he win a second term.
Romney campaigned as a Liberal.
At least here in Kansas, if you removed the "I am so and so Democrat" from the commercial, they would almost sound Reaganesque.
But us informed people know they are lying and disingenuous.
It's the path both parties want to take, the path of the......moderate politician and you know all about them don't you cripple?
Think Reichstag Fire...The Paulites are being used as an excuse to consolidate power and destory opposition.
I never said that they took the actions to change the rules, they were challenging the nomination on the floor. The plan was to demand a brokered convention. They knew that they didn’t have much of doing that, but they plan was to cause as much damage to Mitt Romney as they could.
You can tell yourself whatever you please, but this was all planned out, months in advance. The conservatives should been prepared and worked things out before the convention. I don’t even think that Romney anticipated the problem with the social conservatives, he was so focused on the Paulers.
All you have to do is go any of the media sites and see Ron Paul’s face and that joker grin on his face. The man is evil. He’s a narcissist, just like Obama and Clinton.
Yeah, it’s unfortunate all right. It’s unfortunate that so many conservatives believed that they had allies in the Ron Paul camp. If you watched the posts here on FreeRepublic, you saw that it was the Paulers that were knocking out one candidate after the other, not Mitt Romney supporters. We didn’t have many Mitt Romney supporters on Free Republic. Now, we have more ABOs than real Romney supporters.
The fact is that the Tea Party was started by Paulers, in the very early stages. The conservatives kind of took it over right away because the Libertarians are more anarchist than conservative.
Geez, that Ron Paul grin really does remind me of the Joker. Someone should do a photoshop of Ron Paul as the Joker. I don’t care if it does bring back memories of the Colorado shooting. Heck, the Colorado delegation deserves this, they were leading it.
Well then Mr. Romney just did all the damage to himself with this attempt to change the rules. They call that cheating. Unless Ron Paul had the delegates why was Romney so worried? If you seriously feel he was played for a fool by the Ron Paul people you might want to consider the fact that Romney really is a fool.
“The thing to do now is get control of the Senate and strengthen the numbers in the House. This can stop Rombama until we get Newt or Palin in 2016.”
You know and I know that’s not true. When the republicans took over the house in 2010, they voted to rescind the incandescent lightbulb ban, and the measure failed. If these traitors can’t even give us back a bloody lightbulb, there’s no chance of these clowns stopping anything Buckwheat has planned for us. It’s time to fall back to the states and set up a battle line to take on the fat-ass criminal fascist syndicate occupying Washington.
Breitbart has more info on this matter...please read. Massive power grab to ensure Romney 2016 and GOPe candidates in 2020 and beyond.
TO some degree, I think that is because the two of them understand what is really important in this election, and it’s not a bunch of rules that will get re-addressed by the next chair of the RNC, just like Michael Steele did his own re-working of the rules before this primary.
It’s stupid for Romney’s folks to be doing this, and it is just going to muddy the messaging, but on the other hand, maybe they know something about what the Paul folks were going to do that makes it worthwhile.
I wish one of these articles would actually post a concise list of the rules changes, so we could see what everybody is up in arms about. It’s clear something is being done — every grass-roots organization I subscribe to has been flagging this as an issue. But none are actually telling me what specific things we should be objecting to.
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