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1 posted on 08/28/2012 1:19:24 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 08/28/2012 1:20:10 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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As a classical liberal, intellectual honesty compels me to proclaim it matters not how the child was conceived.


3 posted on 08/28/2012 1:23:14 PM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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4 posted on 08/28/2012 1:23:26 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Doesn’t every crime have some kind of residual effect?


5 posted on 08/28/2012 1:30:11 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (I used to want to change the world. Now, I want to stop the world from changing me.)
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Beautiful, not much left that needs to be said.


7 posted on 08/28/2012 1:41:10 PM PDT by GBA
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Does anyone know what the bottom line message is supposed to be with all this rape discussion? I mean other than it being
a gotcha for democrats to put the GOP in a corner where they have to express their opinion on it?

Is there actually anyone that expects there to be a law that forces rape victims to carry a rapists child?

And if so, is that a law that a candidate should promote while attempting to get elected?


10 posted on 08/28/2012 2:17:07 PM PDT by soycd
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You can't tell the difference in the womb, but later?


12 posted on 08/28/2012 2:28:19 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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What soycd said! How did we get here?

We’re talking about an “exception” in certain cases. EXCEPTION to WHAT? Abortion is essentially on demand as it is. Why are we talking about exceptions as if there is already a federal ban? (And what about states rights? Will we defend California’s right to determine their abortion laws if Roe is overturned?)

Perhaps since we can’t outlaw abortion for the forseeable future, we can just put the burden on the woman’s choice. If she “chooses” to abort the child, then that automatically mandates death penalty for the rapist if convicted.

That way if we concede that the mother has a right to terminate one life then the state has a duty to terminate the other.

That would eliminate the issue of false accusations of “legitimate rape” too.


13 posted on 08/28/2012 2:40:03 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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Research shows that in cases of sexual assault in which a child is conceived, the welfare of a mother and her child are never at odds. It turns out that what is good for the child is actually what is best for the mother. Numerous testimonies by raped women who have chosen life for their child, which have been collected by the Elliot Institute (http://afterabortion.org/), suggest that the raped woman’s loving affirmation for her child is the one thing that really brings her healing and restores her sense of self-worth.

This is pseudo-science. Many raped women may do fairly well carrying a baby to term. Many raped women may regret aborting a child conceived in rape. But there is no way on earth that every single raped and impregnated woman is emotionally and physically better off giving birth.

This doesn't settle the morality of aborting a child conceived in rape or of a society's permitting it, but people not already persuaded that it is wrong will be repelled by the false absolute.

15 posted on 08/28/2012 3:06:26 PM PDT by heartwood
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Paul Ryan believes the abortion exception if the mother’s
life is threatened. Isn’t that against the faith? Ryan is
falling away further as Romney’s running mate, doing this, he supports Romney’s THREE abortion exceptions.

And someone put very well...

...”By giving power to the crime of abortion in ANY circumstance, Romney and Ryan are giving power to sin — which in essence is a LIE against God. So, here comes the whole means vs. ends argument. Is it okay to prop up a lie against God to win political office for the purported end of repealing HHS, etc? I think we all know the answer to that.”


20 posted on 08/28/2012 3:39:50 PM PDT by stpio
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I have no moral argument with this. The prospect that makes me ill is the rapist coming along after the birth demanding his parental rights and custody, etc. No rape victim should have to put up with that.


22 posted on 08/28/2012 3:41:05 PM PDT by Argus
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Not so vivid an exemplar, but I'm reminded of the quote from Alexander Pope in his "Essay on Man":

"Honor and Shame from no condition rise;
Act well your part, there all the Honor lies!"



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

29 posted on 08/28/2012 5:59:34 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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This article is a definite bookmark for me. I hope others will read it and send it along for many to read. I am sure that it will be used to change hearts and minds.


30 posted on 08/28/2012 8:35:41 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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37 posted on 09/02/2012 10:47:58 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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