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To: betty boop; Paradox; Agamemnon; hosepipe; TXnMA
BTW, how can evolution be the “fundamental idea in all of life science, in all of biology," when it has absolutely nothing to say about what life IS, or how it arose? And ditto for mind (psyche, or consciousness).

So very true, dearest sister in Christ!

The theory of evolution is incomplete. Darwin never asked or answered "what is life v. non-life/death in nature."

And decades later, after the discovery of information theory (Shannon) and DNA (Crick, Watson) - biologists still avoid the question.

Oh sure they can tell us what living things "look like" but they cannot say what life "is." That even though "life" is the subject of biology. LOL!

Fortunately, physicists and mathematicians have been brought to the table. And they are interested in those questions (Rosen, et al.)

106 posted on 09/03/2012 9:50:49 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; TXnMA; Whosoever

I had a car that was “alive” one minute and “dead” the next.. so to speak..
Turns out it only needed a “part” then it was “Alive” again..

Many look at humans exactly in this way..
Life being composed of working parts..
Of course, they conflate the mechanical process but basically its quite simple.. (to them)..

Like the bible and other religious lore presupposes..
Everyone lives forever, meaning no one really actually “dies”...
Much like my car.. even with the proper parts you still need gas..

Some call the gasoline of life .... “the Spirit”..
Why not.?.. Everything “alive” needs energy..


107 posted on 09/03/2012 11:41:44 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; Paradox; hosepipe; TXnMA; metmom; GodGunsGuts; MrB; Fichori; tpanther; ...
The theory of evolution is incomplete. Darwin never asked or answered "what is life v. non-life/death in nature."

Let's not forget "why."

Why do life forms exist at all?

Why do they exist as they do?

We can pretty much answer why they cannot exist in ways other than they do, because existing in a fashion too far removed from that which is and sustains life -- simply does not live.

Point is this: the materialist has to be able to tell you why he chose to live (although it appears he can't tell you what life is) as opposed to just exist (atomically, or possibly just chemically).

The materialist furthermore must be able to say conclusively and authoritatively why he chose to "evolve," and what value system he invented that determined what passes for "advancement" (without any objective standard to say so -- though this is a key tenet of any good practice of scientific inquiry -- to which in truth he pays only lip-service).

For all his self-elevated and presumed "brilliance," (and admiration for which he expects the masses to just laddle out to him, because, of course in his own mind he is so "brilliant") the materialist simply cannot tell us "why."

I submit the reason for this is two fold: (1) He neither designed himself in the past nor sustains himself in the present, (2) He's not as "brilliant" or "advanced" as he would have those (who too often and so smugly he considers to be intellects less than his own) believe.

The Scriptures quite aptly weigh in on such misplaced illusions of "brilliance." Speaking of the scholars of his own age, the Apostle Paul writes:

"Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?" (1 Corinthians 1:20)

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." (Romans 1:22)

By contrast the Christian has the answer for "why" and the answer for the Source of life itself. As we read in the gospel of John:

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

FReegards!


108 posted on 09/04/2012 8:45:29 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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