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Rising insurance costs crimping companies' plans
The Buffalo News ^ | August 26, 2012, | By Jonathan D. Epstein

Posted on 08/27/2012 6:39:52 PM PDT by 11th_VA

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You think health care is expensive now, just wait til it's free ...
1 posted on 08/27/2012 6:40:05 PM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

Somebody gotta pay for all that free stuff.


2 posted on 08/27/2012 6:52:59 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: 11th_VA

Why should an insurance company get a state monopoly ever. Allow interstate competition per the original intent of the Commerce Clause.


3 posted on 08/27/2012 6:53:27 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 11th_VA

And in the government’s usual manner of screwing things up even further, there will probably be a Fred Kinnan solution proposed to this problem.


4 posted on 08/27/2012 7:03:20 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: 11th_VA

Hey, didn’t President Zero promise that Obamacare would lower health premiums?


5 posted on 08/27/2012 7:30:11 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: 1010RD

Bump!


6 posted on 08/27/2012 7:31:58 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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Emblem Health/HIP is going for a 40% increase.

Going for the kill before Obamacare kicks in?


7 posted on 08/27/2012 8:10:31 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: neverdem

FYI


8 posted on 08/27/2012 8:12:01 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: 1010RD

You, nor I, nor anyone else have enough bribes to swing that one. Too many people are being paid off to keep the monopolies in tact.

It is all about power and corruption all the way around. Just about any politician you can name either quit working for his “subjects” or never did. They are all free lancers, opportunists and self-serving. It is just too good a deal for high-mindedness to survive. An honest man in politics is about as scarce as a virgin in a whore house. Marble halls or gaudy parlors it doesn’t matter same thing goes on in both places.


9 posted on 08/27/2012 8:13:56 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: 1010RD

Not a monopoly ....but some states will MANDATE that if a company wants to sell medical insurance policies in the state, it meet all the state standards ....and standards vary between states.

Some states want the insurance companies to cover the important basics - sex change operations, drug and alcohol rehab, etc. And the state wants the end user to have things “free” (i.e. - no copay) ...so the costs skyrocket. Other states might allow a medical insurance company to offer “just the basics” - catastrophic coverage, while the end user has to pay out of pocket for the reasonable items like basic checkups, etc. Such policies can be very very cheap.

But - the “compassionate states” don’t want the unwashed and unenlightened end users to go and get those “cheaper policies” (because how else are you going to spread the costs for these wacko added mandates unless you force everyone to pay.) Imagine how cheap the policies would be if the company could have higher rates for smokers, non-compliant overweight & obese people who wouldn’t change their life style, exclusions for injuries or medical conditions brought on by drug use or alcohol abuse? The “enlightened states” want the risks to be equalized and borne by everybody - hence the inability of the healthy people to by cost-effective insurance out of state!


10 posted on 08/27/2012 8:15:25 PM PDT by Vineyard
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To: Gene Eric
Going for the kill before Obamacare kicks in?

Obamacare IS kicking in.

Even though Obamacare won't be fully operative until 2014, when the indivual mandate kicks in, other elements are being steadily phased in.

This year, the insurers are hit with a whole raft of regulations and specified coverages that they must include in their policies. All of these things cost money -- and you'll be charged for it.

11 posted on 08/27/2012 8:15:38 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: 11th_VA

The only plans they should be working on is how to file for bankruptcy, as the government forces them to provide more and more services that eventually no one will be able to pay for, and the government itself will take over the business.....


12 posted on 08/27/2012 9:08:31 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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I’ll tell you where this headed—the employers are going to stop paying for health care and let the workers find their own insurance. They will gladly pay the government fine and still be saving money. But I tell you what will happen after that starts to happens—the government fines will go up big-time.


13 posted on 08/27/2012 9:28:07 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Vineyard

“non-compliant overweight” That’s a chilling phrase. So we all have to be compliant to get insurance or care? So, when are they going to start peeking into people’s bedrooms to make sure they are not promiscuous or having risky sex?

The answer to all these issues is the free market without the politicians mandating what insurance companies must cover. If somebody wants insurance only for a catastrophic illness or accident, fine. If someone else wants the latest alternative treatment that never ends, let the insurance companies charge them extra. Right now, we all have to pay for people who see a counselor or a chiropractor week after week after week, because psychologists and chiropractors have good lobbyists. Scrap the entire system and open it up to competition. What we really need is LESS insurance and LESS government in health care and insurance.


14 posted on 08/27/2012 10:12:41 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: 11th_VA

Has anybody noticed that with the facist 80%/20% (Payouts/Overhead ratio) fascist rule in Obamacare, wouldn’t the insurance companies react by simply raising policy premium rates so they “fit” within the Obama 80/20 rule, given their fixed amount of overhead?

They could generously offer fractionally more benefits to their insured policy holders so that the 80% payout is in a perfect ratio with their overhead amount.

For example, suppose their ratio was 79%/21% ...

Their revenue from premiums is, say 100 units (e.g. a million dollars), so if they raised their rates, and hence their revenues, to 104 units, with the extra “4” unit of revenues would all go to increased “generous” payouts for new items covered.

So on a “unit’s basis, they’d have 83 units vs 21 units, which is essentially a 80%—20% ratio. Voila! Now they’re in compliance with the heavy-handed Obamacare gestapo AND they get to keep their bloated administrative staff levels of their choosing. However, those paying insurance rates get even more screwed.

Another tragic side-effect of government tinkering in the free markets.


15 posted on 08/28/2012 12:15:37 AM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: 1010RD
I don't think this is an issue of "state monopolies." I think it's a matter of insurance industry regulation at the state level.

Nothing prevents an insurance company in State A from doing business in State B, but if they do so they must meet all of the regulatory standards of State B. One reason why New York is such an expensive place for insurance is that the regulations can be very onerous. On the flip side, New York also has a reputation for sound, stable insurance companies. It's kind of strange how that works, I guess. Historically, a state like New York with a well-run financial regulatory structure (despite the fact that its politics are so leftist) is looking to protect its citizens from fly-by-night insurance carriers from other states who may undercut New York insurance companies by selling insurance policies without the financial backing and reserves that NY requires.

The issue here really comes down to the Commerce Clause vs. the Tenth Amendment.

16 posted on 08/28/2012 2:16:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: rawhide
But I tell you what will happen after that starts to happens—the government fines will go up big-time.

And that's when the employer lays off all the staff and either hires them back as contractors or moves their operation to another country.

17 posted on 08/28/2012 2:20:41 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran%E2%80%93Ferguson_Act

The problem is state mandates that create local monopolies. Licensing and permitting don’t protect you from scoundrels or bad actors. That’s utter myth.

There is no conflict between the 10th and the Commerce Clause. The conflict is between individual liberty and state control. I should be able to cross state lines and buy whatever insurance I want as an individual.

That power is available to Congress and would create real competition. That way if I want a policy that is no-frills and “unmandated” I can get it. Let the state regulate all businesses within its borders, but it cannot regulate interstate commerce and that is what they’ve done.

Undo it and prices fall. It is absolutely pro-consumer and doesn’t need a massive bureaucracy to manage it.


18 posted on 08/28/2012 4:34:50 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Vineyard

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2006-04-17/news/30678746_1_health-insurers-purchasers-of-health-care-market

Congress can, with a simple law, make it possible for me to buy insurance across state lines. No state can regulate another state. There need be no change to a local state’s laws regarding insurers in that state. Just let me buy the policy I want. It works in life insurance. Why is health insurance any different? You can add car insurance to that mix as well.


19 posted on 08/28/2012 4:41:38 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 11th_VA

that bumpersticker on my car gets me the finger at least once a week...
or it might be the “trillion is the new billion”(with Barry’s logo)


20 posted on 08/28/2012 8:57:45 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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