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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The bigger problem with a rape exception is that it is falsely reported more often than not and that rape now includes anything including the woman waking up and deciding “I didn’t really want to do this” after the fact.

Glenn Beck quoted a study where “rape” resulted in 2x the number of pregnancies but I think that study included self reported “rape” which includes scared girls making an excuse for an existing pregnancy..

FWIW I’m not a medical doctor but based on other mammals in stressful situations (zoos?) I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it wasn’t proven at some later time that high stress does greatly reduce fertility.


2 posted on 08/25/2012 4:02:46 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer
It is already a fact that stress lowers fertility.

Why would anti-abortionists would make an issue out of the low incidence of pregnancy due to rape, it is irrelevant to the question of abortion.

4 posted on 08/25/2012 4:13:16 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Neidermeyer
The bigger problem with a rape exception is that it is falsely reported more often than not and that rape now includes anything including the woman waking up and deciding “I didn’t really want to do this” after the fact.
Yes! True! The following comes from a man who agrees with you. Whole post is a good read, btw:
But in addition, there are two practical political reasons why not to allow these exceptions:

First, if only a rape or incest claim will get someone an abortion, then lots of people who didn’t get pregnant that way will claim that they did, to qualify for the loophole. The desire of some to get a legal abortion will lead them to tie up the criminal justice system with nonexistent accusations borne of fear and desperation if not malice, and the abortions will occur anyway, just at greater cost.

Second, if we allow these exceptions, we are violating one of the great tenets of jurisprudence: Hard cases make bad law. If something is an extreme rarity, then it should not drive our policy. It’s an imperfect world; if you insist on perfection, you’ll fall farther from the mark than if you had accepted the reasonable. And we know that pregnancies resulting from rape or incest are an incredibly small minority of pregnancies. Except as a political football, the question of allowing abortion as a consequence of rape is simply too small a statistic – a sad, even tragic statistic, yes, but still too small a statistic – to justifiably drive the conversation. --John F. Di Leo

7 posted on 08/25/2012 4:24:53 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Neidermeyer

How about the fact rape is an under reported crime? You say falsely but the other side of the equation is the stigma and embarrassment attached to it. Many rapes are never reported.


10 posted on 08/25/2012 4:41:43 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Neidermeyer
FWIW I’m not a medical doctor but based on other mammals in stressful situations (zoos?) I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it wasn’t proven at some later time that high stress does greatly reduce fertility.

It is standard medical practice for physicians to strongly advise women who are trying to conceive to avoid high levels of stress. It is well documented that traumatic events can trigger miscarriages. So the science is there.

16 posted on 08/25/2012 5:54:18 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Neidermeyer

I’m not convinced comparing women rape victims to zoo animals will help get rid of Akincare.


21 posted on 08/25/2012 6:33:45 AM PDT by soycd
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To: Neidermeyer

oral and anal sodomy do not result in pregnancy.

There are all sorts of sexual assault that are “rape”.

Statutory rape is criminal but often consensual (with one or both parties being unable to legally provide consent).

Coital rape is a subset of all rape. Perhaps that is what he meant by “legitimate rape”.

Whoopi Goldberg didn’t get half the flak from Feminazis when she went on ABC television and said that Roman Polanski wasn’t guilty of “rape rape” when he drugged and sodomized a 13 year old girl. Obviously this was a good enough argument for Barack Obama as his administration let Roman Polanski walk.

The Democrat war on women continues.


36 posted on 08/25/2012 12:18:44 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Only Obama put a dog on the roof of his mouth. Dogs are friends, not food.)
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