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To: thouworm; CutePuppy; stephenjohnbanker

Charges might include: (1) criminal tax fraud (2) deliberately misstating income, (3) filing false returns, (4) falsifying official documents, (5) intentionally mislabeling personal expenditures as business expenses, (6) utilizing funds inappropriately, (7) fraudulent use of funds for lavish personal expenditures, (8) fraudulently declaring to the IRS personal expenditures as legitimate business expenses.


12 posted on 08/24/2012 3:23:33 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

That’s a good starter list : )


15 posted on 08/24/2012 4:06:26 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Liz; stephenjohnbanker; ken5050
Thanks, Liz.

Unfortunately, all the charges you describe are the income/IRS-related charges, so they are not even "in the eye of the be-HOLDER" or DOJ and won't go anywhere.

I saw the Santelli clip with Koutoulas and was very disappointed. The guy just sounds like a huckster and publicity hound, all bluster and "red-meat" platitudes but very little substance. He is right that Holder and DOJ are covering up for Corzine and want to dismiss the case - that's one reason they didn't want CME's Terry Duffy anywhere near "their investigation" - but that's not exactly news. DOJ is also not the only entity that's investigating the case.

First, there are very few of the "50 states" who would even bother with accepting the lawsuit, or have it kicked out on the grounds of jurisdiction and standing.

Second, if the guy really thinks that he can claim that MF Global / Corzine situation is in any way equal to Peregrine Financial (PFG) / Wasendorf Sr., then he is delusional and Corzine's victims need a better representation.

Wasendorf Sr. perpetuated over 20 years a pure Ponzi scheme, same as Madoff, only on much smaller scale. The only resemblance between PFG and MF Global is that they were both commodity brokerages and it involved (obviously!) segregated customer accounts. That's where the money was at PFG and Wasendorf was looting segregated accounts for years, while Corzine used them in the last few days to shore up the regulators' capital requirements and cover the margin calls while trying to fire-sell the company - it is a crime, but an entirely different one.

Wasendorf is in jail because he pretty much confessed to the crime, just like Madoff. Corzine basically said "Prove it" which can be done, if there is a will to do it.

From a puff-piece, laying the groundwork for opinion, by the Corzine-Obama-Holder-axis-friendly NYT:
No Criminal Case Is Likely in Loss at MF Global - CNBC / NYT-Dealbook, (editor-in-chief Andrew Ross Sorkin) by Azam Ahmed and Ben Protess, 2012 August 15-16

They might be afraid to charge O'Brien if they think that she can spill the beans and point the finger at Corzine. If there is substantial evidence that Edith O'Brien has the goods, the Congress can give her limited immunity for testifying, and invite some of the DOJ's and other "investigators" to ask them questions... For instance, whether a crime has been committed at all and, at the very least, what the meaning of the 2002 Sarbanes-Oxley law (of which Corzine was one of the main authors when he was in Senate) is?

Then, there is also potential of civil lawsuits from regulators, insurance companies and the civil lawsuit by the victims (hopefully they have more than Koutoulas).

Interesting bit from Trustee in suit vs. MF execs - NYP, by Kaja Whitehouse, 2012 August 16

As part of the cooperation agreement, Giddens will turn over all the documents he uncovered in his investigation and all the money recovered in the lawsuit will go to the wronged MFG customers. The hearing on cooperation agreement will take place on September 5, 2012. If not approved, Giddens will file separate lawsuits against MFG execs, which is what he planned to do originally (June 04, 2012). Of course, he also has vested interest - trustee of Madoff case, Picard, already accrued more than a quarter of a billion dollars in compensation for his "recovery efforts."

A bit of sanity here: From MF Global and the 'Missing' Funds - WSJ, by Holman Jenkins, 2012 August 03


20 posted on 08/24/2012 7:04:43 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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