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1 posted on 08/24/2012 5:37:19 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: GlockThe Vote
"So, which would we rather have -- a hospital readmission or a death?"

I think everyone has figured out Obama's answer to that question by now.

2 posted on 08/24/2012 5:41:38 AM PDT by circlecity
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It’s BO’s cost-cutting plan. The hospitals won’t readmit you if you’ve exceeded your quota of admissions, so you will die at home. This statistic won’t besmirch the hospital’s mortality total...also being monitored by ObamaCare...and ObamaCare can save the money that would have been spent on you had you been readmitted.

It will be interesting to see how ObamaCare will affect life spans in the USA, but you can bet government officials will still live to be 90+.


3 posted on 08/24/2012 5:42:56 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: GlockThe Vote
Time to trot out the great Reagan line in 1980 about Carter, this time about Obama:

"A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose yours, and recovery is when Obama loses his."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF3ChLR4SsI

4 posted on 08/24/2012 5:43:07 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: GlockThe Vote

Why do I suspect that any institution or MD providing care will be penalized!!!

The banksters, after all , expect that money in Medicare to wind up in their pockets!!!


9 posted on 08/24/2012 6:00:10 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

And it is so damned obvious how hospitals are going to react to this.

They will each hire a Michelle Obama for the purpose of encouraging patients to go to some other hospital if it has been less than 30 days since their last stay. They will probably even work out deals with other hospitals to “trade” patients to keep them all over the 30 day limit.

Gubbermint types never ever ever ever learn that there’s more than one way to skin a cat.


10 posted on 08/24/2012 6:02:38 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: GlockThe Vote
Like your message.

Hospitals can mitigate the readmission problem by keeping the patients in the hospital longer, BUT that puts them and the doctors at risk for being economically inefficient....longer stays are result in demerits which reduce Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement fees.

Why do I feel that Washington is being run by lily white administrators and college professors who brought the cities of Detroit and East Saint Louis to their present condition?

19 posted on 08/24/2012 6:29:26 AM PDT by BilLies (FOX NEWS, Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!)
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To: GlockThe Vote; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”Doctors are concerned the penalty is unfair, since sometimes they have to accept patients more than once in a brief period of time but could be penalized for doing so — even for accepting seniors who are sick.

This could be an unintentional side effect. What happens if the hospital refuses to admit a patient to avoid this? Do they get sued? Or they just limit how many medicare patients they have in the first place.

20 posted on 08/24/2012 6:31:05 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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Just experienced the preliminary ramifications of this regulation. When mom’s stage 4 bone cancer resulted in two crushed vertebrae while 5 hours away from home, she was admitted to an out of town hospital. Even though “pallative care” and pain management is her only recourse, the hospital would not discharge her because “they didn’t want to see her back in the emergency room.” It was stressed by every doctor and nurse on her case that Medicare would NOT pay for her stay if we left against medical advice (AMA). Before it was over, the hospital admin finally fessed up that hospital practitioners are TRAINED to say this even though it is not true. We were forced to leave AMA much the same way she was forced to participate in govt. Mediscare even though she had private insurance/financial means.

She is home now, after a week of being held PRISONER and subjected to unnecessary expensive tests (charged to John Q. TAXPAYER) with no access to HER doctors (familiar with her case) or home while family members incurred HUGE travel/lodging expenses.

My advice…don’t get sick or hurt while out of town especially under these new BS regulations. Hospitals will refuse or be hesitant to discharge terminally ill patients (who WILL be readmitted FOR THE SAME ILLNESS) because these huge fines affect their bottom line.

Hospitals are TRAINING THEIR STAFF TO LIE as they gear up for ObamaCare. Be Warned!


28 posted on 08/24/2012 7:04:07 AM PDT by johnsmom (I must be dreaming 'cause this can't be real)
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To: GlockThe Vote
But faced with penalties, the nation's medical centers now have a financial incentive to seek improvements to the way they follow up with patients after they're released.

There's already a mechanism in place for that in Home Heath Care service providers. But in practice once the pt is discharged from the hospital, and returned under the charge of the primary doc for ongoing monitoring, assessments don't flow back to the hospital/hospitalists in most cases. Or, at best, indirectly, and therefore not timely. That can be remedied

And so long as risk-adjusted measures are fairly factored in for complex cases and those with known high re-admission rts, the vision is true. Even the decision to re-admit to hospital exposes a pt to heightened risk, and isn't a desirable goal, with no regard to treatment costs. We should not be clamoring for more hospital stays!

Readmission isn't a stand-alone outcome model though important. In practice this can serve to maximize quality of care during hospitalization which is a good thing. Anyone who thinks Medicare guidelines don't chart the course of care for its subscribers already are uninformed. So do those carriers in the pvt sector, btw. It can be, and often is, equally restrictive depending upon your plan. (If you're a politician, for example, the sky's the limit but they are a select few- elite).

I'm not advocating for the Medicare pgm, far from it, but for a large subset it's controlling and entrenched; vigilant oversight and informed debate is vital; the best we can do for now.

Also note these changes are being driven, really, not by Obama or his policy czars but by Balanced Budget Act of 1997. Improving health care delivery seems to be the goal here and outcomes based models are the best measurement tools.

29 posted on 08/24/2012 7:13:20 AM PDT by Dysart (Obama Faults Profit. Reject That.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Death Panels.


31 posted on 08/24/2012 7:15:01 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

New tagline...


34 posted on 08/24/2012 7:54:39 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (ObamaCare is an assault on the unborn, infirmed and elderly. GOP, repeat this as necessary...)
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To: GlockThe Vote
I swear, if this bastard gets reelected this country is finished.

I read somewhere that Rush said the country could in fact survive another 4 years of the Kenyan Marxist. I respectfully don't agree.

36 posted on 08/24/2012 8:01:23 AM PDT by Marathoner (GTFO: January 21, 2013)
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To: GlockThe Vote
"Among patients with heart failure, hospitals that have higher readmission rates actually have lower mortality rates," said Sunil Kripalani, MD, a professor with Vanderbilt University Medical Center who studies hospital readmissions. "So, which would we rather have -- a hospital readmission or a death?"

The 'incentive' here would tend to encourage 'death' to the above... Next dems will rewrite laws so patient families can't sue. That's the other shoe. Citizens will still be able to sue doctors until they're taken over by ObamaCare - but they won't be able to sue hospitals. This plan will put the hospitals on the side of government - and pitted against doctors.

Another 'unintended consequence' will be very private hospitals that ONLY take people with private insurance...or seniors with supplemental insurance that covers excess costs.. In short, LIBERAL ELITES will find a way they can opt out of the horror.

In Communists countries, party members were treated as elitist - with the advantage of not having to pay more. Democrat elites will figure that one out... Eff 'em.

40 posted on 08/24/2012 9:37:21 AM PDT by GOPJ (Politics is war without bloodshed, and war is politics with bloodshed. - Mao Tse Tung. We're at war)
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