Is Obamacare Constitutional, or not? Not the bending, twisting and shaping of the situation by Roberts which resulted in the ruling - nor the ruling itself - but the actual truth.
Under the Constitution as written, under any scheme of rationalization, is it Constitutional for the Federal Government to do what it did in Obamacare?
I say no.
Four conservative justices agree with me.
What say you?
All Roberts had to do was agree with them, and the whole thing fails.
Story is he did agree, then backtracked and found a way to uphold it.
I don’t really care that much about what his motive was. It matters some, but what matters to me is whether this monstrosity is in truth allowed under our Constitution.
If I and the four dissenters are right, Roberts made the WRONG call.
That is, if you admit that Roberts was appointed to rule on the literal Constitutional standing of this law, and not to do the various other machinations that he did.
You didn’t read a critical bit in what I wrote.
Your “four other justices” were actually only three.
Justice Kennedy has a nasty habit of breaking split decisions between the conservative and liberal sides of the court by voting liberal. But he *only* does this when he will be the deciding vote.
It is just a bastardly thing to do. But it is almost certain that if Roberts had not voted with the majority, Kennedy would have. And it would have been a 5-4 decision in FAVOR of ALL of Obamacare.
So by Roberts voting that Obamacare was unconstitutional, we would have been completely wiped out. EVERY part of Obamacare would have been sustained.
Would *that* have been better? No it would not have been.
Instead, by voting in favor of Obamacare, Roberts created the ability of the Republicans in congress to destroy it. And not just it, but a bunch of other giant federal programs as well.
He couldn’t do it himself, but he made it possible for congress to do it.
To destroy Obamacare, they now won’t need a 2/3rds majority of both houses, which would almost certainly be blocked by the Democrats. Instead, just a simple majority of both houses, and the signature of the president.
And Obamacare is dead.
I see you are using your emotions to drive your opinion.
Let me try to untangle this for you..
You ask is obamacare constitutional or not?
Are social security, medicare, medicaid, and welfare programs constitutional?
Under past rulings, using both majority and minority opinions as a guide, yes they are (even though we both know they really are not)
Using this as a criteria, and using the same rulings that passed the aforementioned programs, yes it is constitutional.
But, thanks to Roberts ruling, from this point forward, they are not.
To put it gently as possible, sometimes the cure makes you a helluva lot sicker before you get better.
And, as I said, on the issues that I put forth, the 4 justices you speak of AGREED and CONCURED with Roberts..
I have heard how he “manipulated” or “ made up” parts of this bill for his ruling, but the fact is he did not do any of that.
The real heart of this issue and many others, is that alot of people actually think the socialists are stupid..
This monster bill was written by hard core socialists with an average of 20 years in government.
You can call them socialists...
You can call them communists...
But if you think they are stupid, then they will beat you everytime...
In closing, he did not manipulate or take apart anything from this bill, he did not have to.
Like it or not, this bill was allowable under previous rulings over the past 80 years.
From the day that ruling was issued on forward, it is not.
Thank you Justice Roberts!!!
You have saved our country from socialism ( if we can get the population to be vigilant against and not elect socialists or give them power ever again )