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To: muawiyah
You are forgetting a very big reality in 2008: LOTS of people who, regardless of registration, never voted before (and likely won't vote again) showed up. College kids, yes, blacks. But there is also another very big reality you're ignoring: large numbers---no, I don't have statistics, all I have is local anecdotal evidence that is pretty darned overwhelming---of Republicans voted for Obama.

Yep.

In one deep red suburb of Dayton, for ex., it was the first one we went to on election night to look at the raw #s: This should have been over 95% McCain. In fact, he was at about 75%. A female judge acquaintance---WAY up in the county and state GOP---was talking after dinner. She said she couldn't believe her daughter (a Republican) voted for Obama. Her son said, "Mom, don't you know that ALL your children (5) voted for Obama?" Now, I can say with near certainty that if any of them vote again this time, it won't be for Obama.

Of that 80m, a HUGE chunk are "Reagan Dems who despise what Obama has done. A majority? Course not. But of your 80M Dems, how many are located in three states---IL, CA, and NY---that don't matter any way as they are never in play?

The real question you should be considering, and the only number that matters is, outside those three states, how many Dems do you have? Because outside those three states, I think some Dems are VERY "coachable" and yes, coachable by Romney and Ryan.

And all "poll watching" is is observing the only evidence we have. And so far, the evidence is pointing to a significant GOP electoral victory---and I keep harping on that because CA, NY, and IL are NOT IMPORTANT. They are already factored in as hopeless.

When you see repeated polls from MI saying Romney is ahead, or in WI saying Romney is ahead, or other "Dem" states where Romney is ahead or even, it says something. And what it says probably ain't what you want to hear, which is, maybe Romney isn't as bad as you hope, and maybe he DOES appeal to an awful lot of voters. And, if we had any semblance of a truly objective press, you would already know that. So to the extent that it's possible, people like me have to try to convince people like you---who already are biased against Romney---that in fact he's doing damn well.

100 posted on 08/22/2012 3:35:49 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: LS
Back to the old language eh ~ - your boy is biased against me, and the problem with evidence is there isn't any that much has changed.

I know supporters of any candidate want to believe that the tension rises, and public interest rises, and everything is really cool for their side ~ and outside of anecdotes, that's not it.

Sorry, if you get something it'll be pretty much in line with what we've had before, and we will have to suppress voting on the other side, as usual, to make sure we win.

BTW, New York, Illinois and California aren't really out of play. You may think they are, but they aren't. Even in those out of the way places we have penetrated their psyche with the internet and all it can do ~ they no longer have any reason to depend on the MSM.

101 posted on 08/22/2012 3:42:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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