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Posted on 08/21/2012 2:53:18 PM PDT by NYer
Any person derived as a clone is another unique person. If I make 5 copies of a machine, each one is a unique individual machine so that now there are 5, not one.
Criminal law my butt. I think the govm't should stay the hell out of these matters.
No, it's a clone with the exact same DNA. It could be used for spare parts without fear of tissue rejection.
The embryos in the petri dish are not clones of the parents, they have their own distinct identities.
"A human being comes into existence when the information from an egg and sperm combine to create a new unique individual or set of individuals in the case of maternal twins (unlike cloning which comes from a single existing individual's DNA)."
Information? The information is roesent in any human cell. Any human cell is human life and contains all the information necessary to develop into an adult — a unique person. Any of them is derived from some prior union.
"To purposefully abort a human being or to use contraception that does not prevent conception, by definition, ends the existence of a human being and is wrong. "
Your "definition" is faulty. A human being is defined by adult characteristics, not potential characteristics. An embryo, or close to it does not meet, or even come close to those characteristics. It also is not viable w/o someone to join in union with it and become a part of it just to exist. A woman's body, or some technical creation is required for that. Notice that to become a part of it is required! An embryo is mostly the person of the mother and consists of almost nothing that resembles a person. It's the parents who announce, "it's a baby!" It's the parents who attribute personhood as God did at some point in man's evolution.
It is a fundamental right of the parents to decide if and when to call that person a child, baby, and give it the gift of personhood, not anyone else. That right derives from the sovereignty of will granted to the mother over her own body and the free will of both parents to procreate as they see fit. If the pregnancy is not wanted, the parents have a right to stick with that decision and no one else is justified in calling it a homicide.
"There are forms of contraception that prevent conception, and by definition, do not end the existence of a human beings."
You are welcome to your belief.
"Ending the existence of a human being at any stage of their development is wrong, whether a non-productive senior that requires someones dedication and complete care for many years,"
Seniors are still sovereigns. Living wills that include DNR orders and quick painless endings in terminal conditions are not homicide either. That includes the use of anesthetics and the withholding of food and water in cases of inevitable death.
Amazing! You'd cut up a live person just to get some parts. A you going to keep him sedated 'till the harvest, or just keep him captive so the parts grow up strong and healthy?
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The people.
The people.
"Well maybe the government should stay the hell away when a criminal breaks in your house and steals your stuff "
I noted tht they genrally have, especially when it's close to the end of the shift and one has to fight with them to fill out a report, a keep after them to investigate the burglary, or theft.
> Either you are anti-abortion or pro-abortion.
What say you to the exception to save the mother’s life?
And what about birth control?
Lines are drawn in all aspects of life and death. You have yours and depending on how extreme they are determines if you get to implement them or not.
No, I wouldn't. That's why we oppose cloning.
But the wild eyed baby-killing, euthanasia, packer/muncher culture-of-death types would.
What the hell do you think the embryonic stem cell/abortion industry is all about?
So let me get this straight: in your mind, embryos are not human & just because a human gestates in a woman’s body, abortion is ok?
What the hell is w/ all the pro-abort trolls today??
>>The people.<<
No, the RATs.
The RATs run all cities, the education/indoctrination system, the media, "entertainment" they infest all bureaucracies, government unions, the court system etc etc etc.
The RATs run the USA.
Who can with absolute honesty answer that question? Given it is a known fact that not all women report ‘legitimate rape’. I have come to the opinion because of Akin only women should be allowed to speak about rape pregnancies. Only they can know if the rape was ‘legitimate’ or not.
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Egregiously absurd. You are no conservative. End of exchange.
Based, of course, on the idea that a 16 1/2 year old is too immature to decide on a sexual relationship. But if she wants an abortion, well hell, clear the decks and get her in there, it's her right to hide it from her parents, according to the leftists.
Who's really waging a "war on women," people who don't want to pay for other peoples' abortions, or the people who are killing about 600,000 unborn women every year in the US?
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