Posted on 08/15/2012 7:53:45 AM PDT by Strategerist
Even though it's a staffer for a Republican Congressman, for those enthralled by fantasies of defending your bunker full of canned food against hordes of Obama's DHS agents, I'm sure it will be proclaimed as disinformation and all part of the conspiracy.
No, but it is certainly evidence that our Founders would be appalled by the “standing army” we must fund and endure (you may include militarized local law enforcement in that).
My only question is why NOAA needs 46,000 hollow point rounds. Are they defending against pirates?
600,000 Rounds to Capitol Police!:
("The United States Capitol Police, Training Services Bureau has a requirement to procure the following Ammunitions: 1. (600) 165 Grain Gold Dot Hollow Point, 40 S&W, 1,000/Case - 53970; NOTE: Ship in 2 equal shipments of 300,000 rds each. The first delivery no later than September 30, 2012 and second delivery no later than December 30, 2012." )
Armed EPA OIG:
("SIG Sauer Model P229 Semi-Automatic Pistol (P229); E29R-357-BSS-G; Caliber .357 SIG; DA/SA old style Alloy Frame; Stainless Slide; Black Nitron Finish; DA/SA Trigger; Supplied with three MecGar twelve (12)-round magazines and Trijicon three (3) Dot (White ? Glow Green) Night Sights; Milled locking inserts; and, Manufacturer carry case. ")
Weather Service Buys 46000 Rounds of Illegal Hollow Point Bullets: NOAA Needs Hollow Points?
(A solicitation which appears on the FedBizOpps website asks for 16,000 rounds of .40 S&W jacketed hollow point (JHP) bullets, noted for their strength, to be delivered to locations in Ellsworth, Maine, and New Bedford, Mass. A further 6,000 rounds of S&W JHP will be sent to Wall, New Jersey, with another 24,000 rounds of the same bullets heading to the weather station in St. Petersburg, Florida. )
A sensible analysis.
Hopefully the Congresscritter recognizes _why_ so many are freaking out about it, and takes that reaction seriously.
Dude. They are buying 450 million rounds. That’s not good no matter how you slice it.
They're kidding, right?
OK, let's do a math and comparison on a smaller scale, based on their numbers......say 1 percent. If I had a legally armed group of 700 people buying 4.5 million rounds over the next 5 years, do you think the government would be concerned about it and investigating us?
You need plenty of ammo when you’re sitting around shooting the breeze.
There is more than likely a mass quantity of beer and pork skins included on the list.
I guess the fair question is to compare these purchases to previous Administrations. Surely if the job requires you to carry, there is going to be Range time. Also what is shelf life of ammo?
I’ll hold my concerned until these questions are answered.
~50,000 rounds? meh. Many individual FReepers have that much, or aspire thereto.
A half-million rounds? See prior comment, multiply by 10.
A half-billion rounds? For domestic use? the math may prove sensible ... and, with prudent suspicion, justifies individuals stocking up.
How many LEOs go through 10 magazines a month? My father in law went 31 years on the job in NYC and never fired his weapon outside the range. There he fired 40 rounds four times a year. Till this past week my cousin had never fired his weapon more than that after seven years on the job, but he put rounds on the Times Square knife nut. Also, does every DHS LEO carry a 40 cal? I don’t know, but I would think a lot still carry 9mm and some, like the guys at Soc Sec offices still carry revolvers. 450 million rounds still seems a bit excessive.
Well I respect Lynn Westmoreland but what about the additional 750 thousand rounds and the 46,000 rounds from the weather service?
Well I respect Lynn Westmoreland but what about the additional 750 thousand rounds and the 46,000 rounds from the weather service?
DHS has only been around for a decade. Not many prior administrations to compare to (i.e.: Bush 2), and ramp-up must be considered.
A couple thousand rounds per year is a decent ballpark for basic range time.
Ammo shelf life is pretty much unlimited. Basic rule of thumb: it’s a shelf-stable consumable whose price will always go up, so buy as much as you can as soon as you can.
Crunch the numbers with these principles, and the half-billion number is sensible ... but also justifies raising eyebrows.
Ammunition, properly stored, lasts for decades.
What I notice about these bulk government buys is that they're buying premium hollowpoint cartridges for practice.
That's BS. If it's really practice ammo, they should be buying FMJ like sane folks do.
Under NOAA’s rather large umbrella is a small specialized security group. 46,000 rounds isn’t much, a sensible amount for 23 armed agents for a year, or 5 for 5 years.
Practice with what you’ll stake your life on.
“In fact, there are 65,000 70,000 law enforcement personnel at DHS”
Why don’t I believe that all of these carry a weapon, which would use 40 caliber.
I’m not necessarily freaked out by the fact its ammo...but I am freaked out by the potential for goovernment waste.
I’ve seen how this works, while in the Army. More than once, I was instructed to burn through magazines of blanks, in order to ‘get rid’ of them (i.e. not go through the trouble of turning it back in).
And why stockpile?...or ‘shore up their supplies’ as stated in the letter? I don’t think we, as a nation, have the money to be ‘shoring up supplies’ of stuff.
Indefinite delivery? Yep, 5 years of no competition is sure to save money.
Lets spell out exactly what happened here - DHS had money left in the budget, so they decided to spend it on something...anything will do. Its the government way. Imagine if every agency did this...wait...they do!
Again, I’m not freaked out about the product...I just continue to be disappointed in how government operates.
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