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Mitt Romney's Selection Of Paul Ryan Is A Sign Of Desperation (Excellent Libertarian Analysis)
Zero Hedge ^ | August 12, 2012 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 08/12/2012 8:43:00 PM PDT by Zakeet

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To: Zakeet

Excellent points but, what were the other choices?


21 posted on 08/12/2012 9:12:10 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: TonyInOhio; All
The author of this editorial makes some excellent points, IMHO

Which, particularly?

Start with these:

Unfortunately, most of the respondents on this thread are resorting to ad hominem attacks on the individual who wrote the article rather than reply to the points that he raised. This type of shallow thinking is unfortunate indeed.
22 posted on 08/12/2012 9:17:27 PM PDT by Zakeet (If you don't like abortions, don't get one. If I don't like guns, we should ban them.)
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To: Zakeet

Washington crossing the Delaware was an act of desperation.

Nothing wrong with that.


23 posted on 08/12/2012 9:17:33 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Zakeet

The author is trying to score points for himself swimming against the tide. My libertarian friends are thrilled with Ryan, especially his Ayn Rand quotes.


24 posted on 08/12/2012 9:18:25 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Zakeet

There aren’t very many true conservatives Romney could have chosen that would improve his electability. Who would they be? Duncan Hunter? Palin?

The Left and the media(redundancy, I know) will try to kill of anyone Romney chooses, regardless. There’s no perfect person, AFAIK.


25 posted on 08/12/2012 9:19:12 PM PDT by lurk
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To: 4rcane
There is no way we can make massive trillion dollar cuts in the short term. The entitlement programs need to be reformed first. Right now, our total tax revenue is just enough to fund the entitlement programs and other so called mandatories like food stamps and unemployment and our debt servicing costs. With 10,000 people retiring every day for the next 20 years, which will double our population over 65. By 2030, one in five Americans will be 65 or older and there will be just 2 workers for every retiree compared to 3.3 today and 16 in 1950. This means that the costs of our entitlement programs will continue to increase rapidly.


26 posted on 08/12/2012 9:20:55 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Zakeet

Ever go over to MassMitt’s website, and look at “his” “issues” section?

“cutting the deficit” Sound familiar? Like the Coffee Server before the Blair House Show.

“building energy independence” Sound familiar? Like the Coffee Server again?

“ensuring Americans have the skills to succeed” Sounds familiar? NCLB again? Big Bureau Ed?

And how about his getting rid of Obamacare ...BUT....REPLACING IT!!!

It takes a Cronyville.


27 posted on 08/12/2012 9:25:20 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Apparently the Catholics got mad at Ryan for those quotes and Ryan was later forced to say that he did not believe in the philosophy of Ayn Rand, that it is an atheist philosophy and blah blah blah.


28 posted on 08/12/2012 9:26:33 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Migraine

It would be if Washington crossed the Delaware for no apparent reason. That’s the point of the article.


29 posted on 08/12/2012 9:27:41 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The author is trying to score points for himself swimming against the tide. My libertarian friends are thrilled with Ryan, especially his Ayn Rand quotes.

I like his Ayn Rand quotes as well. And Paul Ryan is well read ... to the point where he both understands and purports to be an adherent of the Austrian School of Economics (in stark contrast to Keynesianism).

Unfortunately, as clearly noted in the article, Ryan talks the talk, but he doesn't walk the walk. And that is a problem.

30 posted on 08/12/2012 9:27:54 PM PDT by Zakeet (If you don't like abortions, don't get one. If I don't like guns, we should ban them.)
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To: Zakeet
The author has a couple of good points:

It is desperation and an attempt to shake things up substantially in the hopes of energizing a splintered and unimpressed Conservative base.

Perhaps so and why are conservatives unimpressed? This is a reasonable start on that answer:

...the Republican party only fights for fiscal sanity when they are a minority party, the second they become the majority they expand Government programs at an alarming rate.

Picking Ryan may be desperation on Romney's part or not, but my first impression is that Romney is showing why he has been a successful business man.

His picking Ryan will turn a lot of conservative heads his way and has already opened more than a few wallets and purses that would have stayed closed to him and his campaign.

If picking Ryan is a sign of desperation, it's being rewarded with exactly the kind of support he was hoping for.

Point goes to Romney.

31 posted on 08/12/2012 9:28:16 PM PDT by GBA
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To: tsowellfan

The dims tried this dribble a couple months ago when a marketwatch columnist tried claim barry did not increase spending much. That article was debunked after a day but not before the little obot lemmings posted it all over the internet. Same thing is happening here.

Note the graphs magically start in 2011 to avoid the kenyan’s record. There is a clear pro-obama agenda here.


32 posted on 08/12/2012 9:29:38 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: jb729

“The author of that editorial is a complete and total fool.”


Can you explain what is incorrect in the article? Can you explain how the author is a “complete and total fool”? Or are you a tool of the GOPe and are just following your programming? I’ll rephrase the question: Beep? Beep? Boop? 01010101110110101?


33 posted on 08/12/2012 9:29:38 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Thorliveshere

This libertarian is pretty happy with Ryan.


34 posted on 08/12/2012 9:31:15 PM PDT by correctthought ("Obamunism is a temporary setback on the road to freedom" - Liberty Prime)
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To: Zakeet

Is that author really Zakaria?


35 posted on 08/12/2012 9:32:49 PM PDT by entropy12 (Hate is the most insidious emotion, it will encourage cancer cells in your body.)
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To: Zakeet

These “excellent points” sound remarkably familiar. They are the same points that were made prior to the 2010 midterm election. It was said that voters would reject the Republicans for many reasons including the ones listed in the article.

Throughout 2010, editorial after editorial predicted that Republicans would alienate voters because of their positions. Paul Ryan, among others, was regularly attacked.


36 posted on 08/12/2012 9:33:09 PM PDT by detective
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>> More on that later.

When is later?

See, Ryan is Pro-Life, and the faux Libertarians don’t like that very much. So the frauds will deride Ryan and turn a blind eye to the Marxist they truly long for.

As a Conservative Libertarian, I call BS on this imputation.


37 posted on 08/12/2012 9:35:00 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Zakeet
See my post #26. The Ryan Plan does change the cost trajectory. He also wants to change our tax policies to broaden the base and increase revenue.

There really is no way to dramatically reduce the national debt or deficits over the short term. Our aging population will require more and more resources. We will see the historical battle between guns and butter as some hard choices will have to made re national security versus the so-called safety net. Aside from defense and the entitlement programs and other mandatories, the rest of the government (discretionary) consumes only 12% of the budget. Most of the federal budget is on automatic pilot. Congress doesn't even get involved.

Ryan understands the political dynamic involved with making some real cuts. There is no easy solution in the short term and you can't take a meat ax approach. Moreover, Obamacare will add another 18 million to Medicaid. We need to pare back the welfare state, but it will have to be done slowly and methodically.

And there are some dangers out there that could throw a monkey wrench into our plans. If interest rates go back up to historical levels, then our debt servicing costs could approach $1 trillion a year. We will need to grow our economy and increase revenue. However, the Left will want to use the increased revenue to keep their welfare programs going a little longer even though they are unsustainable.

38 posted on 08/12/2012 9:36:31 PM PDT by kabar
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To: detective

“These “excellent points” sound remarkably familiar. They are the same points that were made prior to the 2010 midterm election. It was said that voters would reject the Republicans for many reasons including the ones listed in the article.

Throughout 2010, editorial after editorial predicted that Republicans would alienate voters because of their positions. Paul Ryan, among others, was regularly attacked.”


So the media in 2010 was arguing that the Ryan plan didn’t actually cut anything and that is was just one big gimmick?


39 posted on 08/12/2012 9:36:53 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: kabar

Very nice graphics! Seems to me besides the usual entitlements, the unemployment insurance is huge. Zero’s contribution in destroying jobs. I assume food stamps are inclusive in that.


40 posted on 08/12/2012 9:37:47 PM PDT by entropy12 (Hate is the most insidious emotion, it will encourage cancer cells in your body.)
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