Posted on 08/10/2012 10:44:12 AM PDT by LibWhacker
125gr in .357 magnum is 1600fps/710ft.lbs. 125gr Sig is 1425fps/584ft.lbs. Smallest load for my 10mm is a 135gr that clocks in at a blistering 1700fps/866ft.lbs.
Those are not negligible differences. Ok, well... Not in my book they aren't. ;-)
The range I visit now doesn't hassle me but it does make you shoot seated with the gun inside a dorky "sound abatement system" which is a plywood box lined with eggcrate foam. Not very tactically realistic, but at least they don't hassle me. I'm working on a farmer to let me build a range on a fallow field of his. Until then, I won't be shootng much.
Thanks for the tips, that’s pretty much how I wrap up my practice sessions too.
I just wish I had the opportunity to have more sessions to do it with ;(
Oh, thank you so much... Good hard concrete information on where to buy and what to buy, which I absolutely need and appreciate. I’ll check ‘em out. Thanks again.
I've been on ranges that don't allow scavaging of spent brass. Most of them make money by reselling the brass they pick up at the end of the day. I don't normally go back to those places. Same for the "1 shot every 3 seconds" rule. This one is so completely subjective as to be utterly ineffective. Further, a lot of the training I like doing requires multiple hits on target and fast reloads.
When I do precision work, I can go minutes between shots. Considering I have had 10 shot groups at 200yrds you can cover with a dime, I think I'm doing something right. ;-)
My Daughter is turning 9 here in two weeks. She might get this one for her 10th birthday if she starts shooting with me regularly. We'll see...
I think, like you said, they quit making #1. There's probably so much price pressure with online shopping that they can't afford to make and stock too many different options.
The M1A has an external magazine that is fed in from the bottom. Common sizes for this is 5- 10- and 20- rounds.
Prices vary widely depending on options, stock, trigger, and barrel. Low end in the $600 range up to thousands for the National Match with all the trimmings.
Wow! Is that for a Glock? I have a G29 and the hottest round I've purchased for it is the CorBon Hunting 180 Grain Soft Point, 1300 fps, 676ftlbs. Had no idea the Glock could tolerate 1700fps/866ft.lbs!
As far as statistical comparisons go, by the numbers, yes, they show apparent differences in the respective performance of the cartridges. I would argue the differences would be considered "highly significant" if you could find a person who would look at them and say, "OK, I guess with numbers like that, you can shoot me with a .357 Sig, but not a.357 magnum or a .10mm!"
And yes...as "different" as those performance numbers are, when placed against the broader spectrum of handgun ballistics, they fall within a relatively narrow band of one another (even more so when you exclude the 10mm and run the .357s head to head).
If you don't believe me, There was an interesting study from about a year ago by Greg Ellifritz:
Among the numbers he explored were % 1 shot stops, Avg. # of hits until incapacitated, % fatal shootings, etc. Essentially, while he concludes that some handgun rounds are somewhat better than others, they are generally close enough in performance across the boards that one's best choice is a rifle :-)
I've worked up a half dozen loads from 135gr to 200gr. For self defense and for steel/bowling pin matches. My 200gr loads poke along at 1000fps, but will drop an 8" steel with authority.
I'm not a big fan of the "drastic plastic". The unsupported chamber leaves me a bit nervous. Especially after seeing a Glock "kaboom" first hand.
Why can’t we live in a world where liberty, the 2nd Amendment, and a totally free enterprise/market system ruled the day? I’d give every gun and every possession I own to live in such a place and gladly start over from scratch, as old as I am. Guns like that, you could probably get for a song in such a system. But in this hand basket, it’d literally bust the bank for old LibWhacker, if he could even get one.
Evidence from the Morgue suggests that mid-range calibers with mid to high-end performance are the most effective.
I don't want to have to count on my ability to pull off an eyeball shot with a .380 ACP, so I carry something big enough to blow chunks out of a person no matter where I hit them.
To each their own...
You probably will also need:
Lee case length gauge (cheap) for trimming brass
Calipers (harbor freight)
Sign up at www.castboolis.gunloads.com and read and post questions.
Agreed. My only point was that while the .357 mag may seem vastly superior to a .357 Sig based on some fps here, and some ft./lbs. there on a ballistics table, the table at the morgue says they are, for all intents and purposes, pretty much identical.
There’s also .357 SIG (available in Glock), preferred by air marshals for one-stop-shot with minimal penetration.
From my research, an M4 SBR (~11.5”) with a can seems an optimal compromise.
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You can keep the noise reducer, and I’m running mine as a CMMG ‘dialable’ piston set up. Had to remove a whole loop from the buffer tube spring, but it runs like a sewing machine now. But for one-handed shooting, the Bushmaster 5.56 pistol in carbon fiber is the cat’s meow.
Go to an Appleseed clinic and then join Appleseed (RWVA) for $20. That will qualify you to have a Garand sent to your door for @ $550. See my tag.
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