RUN HIDE FIGHT Surviving an Active Shooter

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[libertarian27]

[driftless2]

In a case similar to what happened at Virginia Tech, and no firearms except for the killer, the best defense would have been for students to start throwing things at the killer (including their desks if possible) and rushing him. Easier said than done, since the normal reaction is to flee in situations like that. But in two situations the killer entered a classroom and shot ten or more people. Of course, just one person with a firearm could have prevented a lot of the slaughter. Good thing VT was a gun-free zone. Good for the killer that is.

[ctdonath2]

Why “improvised”?

[Phlyer]

I'm worried about some employee bringing a gun to work and going postal killing a bunch of people. How do I take steps to . . .

. . . keep from getting bad press (first priority) and sued (second priority)?

I know, I'll do something that has no practical effect but looks good to the media. I'll ban personal self-defense weapons so that the body count is higher, but I can clearly show that I had done everything I could reasonably be expected to do.

Oh, and I'll make sure that the armed security guards are close to me at all times.

I find no credible evidence that the desire to 'prevent this' is more than lip service. It is a deliberate, ruthless decision to protect the company bottom line even if the body count is higher. After all, anyone at least two layers lower in the organization is an interchangeable unit anyway, and can be easily replaced.

[from occupied ga]

You're probably right, but there is other evidence that what we normally consider logic is absent at the higher levels of management.

Recently GA had a regional referendum on an additional 1% sales tax (on everything) to pay for Atlanta Mass Transit (52% of the plunder) and some road improvements - no detailed descriptions of what would be done in many cases (48% of the loot). This would have taken $6- $8 BILLION dollars ftom the private sector and placed it in the government sector. Our CEO (fortune 500 company) was an avid cheerleader for this, urging employees to sign up to get the message out - vote for the tax. It went down in flames 2:1 against.

What went through his pointy head? Was it to suck up to the black democrat mayor of Atlanta who wanted desperately to get his corrupt hands on some of the stolen taxpayer pelf. Who knows. The government and the "business community" ie the big construction and real estate firms spent $8,000,000 in TV, radio, amd out of home advertising (all lies) to convince people to vote for this travesty, but at least in the Atlanta area people weren't stupid enough to vote for it (actually about 35% of them WERE that stupid but it lost anyway)

[DH]

While there are armed guards,......

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Armed guards (AKA Rent-A-Cops) are not usually the sharpest knives in the drawer. In most cases they are not more than the night watchman that wears a pistol.

Worse than that, they are indoctrinated in political correctness, diversity training and the fact that they will be in “deep do-do” if they ever pull the trigger.

Why trust in them to actually protect (and save) your life. Carry your gun so that you will have the ability to pull that trigger while watching the “guards” do everything to prevent themselves from getting in trouble?

[ops33]

#5 on your list is what got a pharmacist in Oklahoma City jailed.

[IYAS9YAS]

I am left with few good options. But hey, I'm fatalistic: If God wants me that bad, He can have me!

I work in a similar victim zone.

I do what I can. I have a home-made hat/coat rack standing next to my cubicle. It is about 6' long, and has a joint in the middle where it could be broken to two 3' pieces. Better than nothing. I also have tape and long, sharp scissors. No match for a shooter, unless said shooter is a lousy shot, but it's better than nothing.

It also doesn't lend itself to be thought of as a potential weapon (like a baseball bat or the like) in the workplace.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Thanks but I think we will just continue to CC everywhere as we do now.

[DoughtyOne]

I may remember that one.  That still doesn't make it right.  A wounded person can easily kill you and drop dead.  They can also stumble outside and kill someone else, including the first officers on the scene.  Those few seconds are very important. 

If someone comes in using lethal force against me, they better not go crying to mama because I responded in kind.

The court made itself a laughing stock on the case you mentioned.  A pharmacist is doing his job, and all of a sudden a man with a gun enters his pharmacy.  The immediate fight or flight instincts take over.  You get this adrenalin rush that you can barely control, and you respond by shooting the perp and finishing him off.

The court thinks you should be prepared for this, remain calm, and be as thoughtful about it as if you had weeks to prepare.  Baloney.  The benefit of the doubt goes to the guy who was minding and tending his own business.  The perp sought him out, not the other way around.

[S.O.S121.500]

If he’s wearing body armor....
“Then go for the head if he’s still standing”

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AND legs, groin, shoulders, feet until you run out of reload.

You do practice once weekly, right?

2” grouping @ 10 yards, right?

“Double Tap” rings a bell, right?

Cover and concealment are your friends, right?

OK-you can go outside then.

[Petruchio]

I still believe in the S³ method.

Shoot

Survive

and after Trayvon . . . Slip Away . Live to fight another day.