I never said you did. The point is that the mother kept her US citizenship despite being married to an Indonesian. Moreover, her child from that relationship, Maya, was also a US citizen. On what basis could Obama claim Indonesian citizenship at the age of majority when his parents were divorcing? Would Indonesia issue a passport to him? On what basis?
There is no question that the law has been changed significantly numerous times from the period of the early 1960s to the present time. That is just a fact. It is astonishing that you simply deny this.
It is astonishing that you can't cite what those changes are. Exactly how has the law changed?
YES!!! Obama himself has told us he was in Indonesia in the summer of 1981 before his trip to Pakistan. Obama himself has said he went to Indonesia to work on his first book. I think it likely that during his summer vacations growing up someone in his circumstances would from time to time have gone to visit his mother and sister in Indonesia, but obviously we don’t have access to the records to say for certain.
"Apparently, according to the Obama campaign, In 1981 — the year Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University — Obama visited his mother and sister Maya in Indonesia. After that visit, Obama traveled to Pakistan with a friend from college whose family was from there. The Obama campaign says Obama was in Pakistan for about three weeks, staying with his friend’s family in Karachi and also visiting Hyderabad in Southern India."
By that time Obama was 20 years old. How many instances did he travel to Indonesia beyond that one time? Do you have a source for your assertion "he went to Indonesia to work on his first book. I think it likely that during his summer vacations growing up someone in his circumstances would from time to time have gone to visit his mother and sister in Indonesia."
I am talking about Obama getting a US passport WHILE HE WAS LIVING IN INDONESIA at or prior to age 10 after which he would have used it to relocate to Hawaii to live with his grandparents.
The mother's passport renewal was 1965 prior to going to Indonesia. Apparently, she had a passport in 1960 since passports were issued for five years a time during that period. That is the real question about her passport renewal. Why did she need a passport at age 17 in 1960?
We know from the FOIA documents that Stanley Ann’s passport issued July 19, 1965 included her child Barry on it because when she filed for a renewal in August 1968 at the embassy in Jakarta SHE FILLED IN THE BOX “AMEND TO INCLUDE (EXCLUDE) CHILDREN” TO EXCLUDE “BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (SOEBARKAH)”. So he must have been on her passport prior to that. Therefore, it may be that Barry’s first passport in his own name was issued in Jakarta.
No the passport renewal was done prior to leaving for Indonesia. Obama must have received his US passport at the same time since he accompanied his mother to Indonesia.
This point has to do with one person, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II and whether or not he is IN FACT eligible, strictly as a legal matter, under the U.S. Constitution as a citizen (not to mention natural born citizen) of the United States at the time of his election.
That must be resolved by SCOTUS. If you accept what the opinion of Tribe and Olson on the eligibility of McCain (requarested by the Senate that issued Resolution 511, jus solis alone is sufficient to be considered a natural born citizen. The definition of natural born citizen must be defined by SCOTUS.
And by the way FROM YOUR OWN LINK on dual citizenship from the current State Dept web site: “However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship.” Duh.
LOL. That is the point I have been making to you all along. As I have said, it is not necessary to renounce overtly one's citizenship if you seek a foreign citizenship. But as I have stated repeatedly, the reality is that the USG will seldom pursue such instances and it is very difficult to lose US citizenship. Court case after court case proves that point.
The significance of Obama's possible claim of foreign citizenship is not the legal issue, but rather, the political problems that would ensue should such a revelation be disclosed. It destroys his personal narrative.
I’ve already gone through these points as to how Barry might have attained Indonesian citizenship and how and why he might have hung on to it. I know, I know, you don't like to actually read the posts before making a response. The citizenship of his mother and younger sister are not relevant.
It is astonishing that you can't cite what those changes are. Exactly how has the law changed?
Our law on expatriation has been changed in a number of ways over the years, including the change I cited in post 56 above. If you don’t have access to an online legal service go to your local law library. Start with the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. Then continue with each set of amendments thereafter up to the present day.
By that time Obama was 20 years old. How many instances did he travel to Indonesia beyond that one time? Do you have a source for your assertion "he went to Indonesia to work on his first book. I think it likely that during his summer vacations growing up someone in his circumstances would from time to time have gone to visit his mother and sister in Indonesia."
Look it up yourself. It’s not a hidden fact that he went to Bali to work on his book. You are wasting my time not even reading the posts and not even bothering to look up facts.
No the passport renewal was done prior to leaving for Indonesia.
Wrong. The 1968 renewal in which she removed Barry from her passport was signed by her in “Djarkata.” These documents obtained under FOIA have been on the web for a long time.
And you are wrong again about this being an issue of “natural born” citizen.
This particular issue is whether Obama expatriated himself under the terms of our laws and ceased to be a citizen at all. It has nothing at all to do with Tribe's and Olson’s or anyone else’s opinion on what constitutes “natural born citizen” under the Presidential Eligibility Clause.