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To: kabar

and I should add that he may ALSO have a problem under paragraph (1) of Section 1481(a):

“(1) Obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application”

I have seen it stated that under Indonesian law, if someone receives Indonesian nationality as a child and wants to maintain it as an adult, then he or she needs to file a submission with the Indonesian government to affirm it prior to becoming 21 years of age. (I don’t know how accurate this statement is.)

If Obama decided to do some such thing prior to turning 21 in order to hang onto his Indonesian nationality then he likely lost his US nationality under paragraph (1), without even taking into account actions he may have taken under paragraph (2) or paragraph (5).

Again, he would have lost his nationality even if no one in the US State Department even knew about it.


57 posted on 08/07/2012 10:42:59 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss
You are making a lot of assumptions and ignoring the facts. Obama lived in Indonesia from age 6 to 10. He returned to the US and lived in Hawaii thereafter. More than likely, he traveled to and returned from Indonesia using a US passport. It would have been very difficult for him to live with his grandparents other than as a US citizen. The contemperaneous notification in the Hawaiian newspapers of his birth is evidence that the mother and grandparents wanted US citizenship for him, no matter where he may have really been born.

If Obama decided to do some such thing prior to turning 21 in order to hang onto his Indonesian nationality then he likely lost his US nationality under paragraph (1), without even taking into account actions he may have taken under paragraph (2) or paragraph (5). Again, he would have lost his nationality even if no one in the US State Department even knew about it.

Again, lots of assumptions without any facts. And if no one in the State Department knew about it, then he never renounced his citizenship. Certainly, the Indonesians would have such a record if they issued him a passport.

Obama had other options on citizenship including the UK from his father--you know the guy he mentioned in his autobiography.

The reality is that it is very difficult to lose your citizenship. There are plenty of SCOTUS cases on the issue

And there are plenty of cases where people tried to renounce their citizenship and it was rejected. Applying for a passport from another country is not ipso facto evidence for loss of citizenship. I bet Rahm Emanuel has or had Israeli citizenship when he served in Israel assisting the Israeli military.

64 posted on 08/08/2012 5:27:37 AM PDT by kabar
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