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Exclusive: Brigham Young’s Great-Great-Granddaughter on Mormonism and Mitt Romney
Daily Beast ^ | August 7, 2012 | Jamie Reno

Posted on 08/07/2012 3:45:40 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

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To: roylene; dragonblustar
Harry Reid has been awarded honors from BYU for being an example of a good Mormon, he will never be booted.

Yup.

BYU.

October 2007

Reid spoke to over 4,000 on BYU campus. Here’s the FReeper story on that:
Reid Gets Warm Reception at BYU

From this article, written by the Lds church owned Deseret News: At the end of his speech, Reid earned a standing ovation from a small percentage of the crowd and applause from the rest.

141 posted on 08/07/2012 8:36:32 PM PDT by Colofornian (Why don't you 'birthers' ask Mitt about his 'spirit-birth' on planet near Kolob? Hypocrisy @ work?)
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To: SoConPubbie

But in reality I think there is a group of dedicated faux conservatives here that will do anything they can to get the muslim marxist anti-American anti-constitutionalist uber-radical community zombie into Office for 4 more years to finish off America as we know it!

But you know good luck w/ that, I’m not gonna lose sleep over that debauchery. Any other election this tactic might have worked, but not this one. The community zombie is so radically odious that we will get him defeated no matter how throughly his minions muck up their own integrity for his ugly self.


142 posted on 08/07/2012 8:45:30 PM PDT by parisa
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To: Colofornian
I know Brigham Young had something like 55 wives. I'm hoping that you, as someone who has studied a lot of this history, can clear something up for me.

Is it true that his friends were encouraged to refer to him as Bring-em Young?

143 posted on 08/07/2012 8:46:52 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: parisa
These anti-Romney folks are utter kooks. I swear, I feel like I'm reading unhinged posts from the DUmmies.

To make their argument plausible, they have to make the bogus assertion that “Romney and Obama are exactly the same.”

Sorry, but these pro-Obama folks are beyond disgusting and warped. Truly sick.

144 posted on 08/07/2012 8:51:12 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: greyfoxx39

NO BODY SHIFS A GIT ABOUT ALL THIS MORMON STUFF! LEAVE IT ALONE!

IF ALL THIS IS IMPORTANT, WHERE THE HELL IS ALL THE OBAMA/MUSLIM STUFF? HE IS A MUSLIM. SELF ADMITTED. BURN THIS BASTARD FOR HIS ISLAMOFACISM. PERIOD.


145 posted on 08/07/2012 8:56:58 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: doug from upland

Strange, your soul is secure so you do not aperently care about about anyone else.
Mononism is anti Christian. Belief in Mormonism will lead people away from
God Almighty, shouldn’t that concern you?


146 posted on 08/07/2012 9:00:31 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: NoGrayZone

we’ll take the Mormon.
______________________________

Which one do you want ???

Wee Willie or Wee Weed Barry ???

Theyre both Mormons...


147 posted on 08/07/2012 9:03:49 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

hey

this thread is about Mormonism. Start a thread about islam if you want, but good grief stop complaing.
148 posted on 08/07/2012 9:04:52 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: Artcore

Agreed, but its best to ignore and/or mock them, and not get too worked up over their behavior. They are a minuscule bunch and mixed in amongst them are a lot of obama minions pretending to be anti-Mormon conservatives. These sad folks are the useful idiots to the obama gangsters to get their islamist don corleone 4 more years to f$%k America.


149 posted on 08/07/2012 9:42:16 PM PDT by parisa
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To: Artcore

Agreed, but its best to ignore and/or mock them, and not get too worked up over their behavior. They are a minuscule bunch and mixed in amongst them are a lot of obama minions pretending to be anti-Mormon conservatives. These sad folks are the useful idiots to the obama gangsters to get their islamist don corleone 4 more years to f$%k America into submission.


150 posted on 08/07/2012 9:42:48 PM PDT by parisa
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To: All

Hopefully intelligent Freepers will give pause before they believe this woman simply because she was a strong Obama supporter long before Mitt Romney entered the picture.


http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&oldest=1&lname=Emmett&fname=Susan&search=Search+Names

Susan Emmett
retired
self employed

Q3-2008
Milwaukie, OR

$1,259 donation to barack obama


151 posted on 08/07/2012 10:02:10 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: Tamzee

more


http://www.city-data.com/elec2/08/elec-MILWAUKIE-OR-08.html

Susan Emmett (Not employed/Retired), (Zip code: 97222) $320 to OBAMA FOR AMERICA on 03/05/08


152 posted on 08/07/2012 10:05:34 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: Tamzee

Before any more Christians get breathless with admiration for Sue Emmett’s rant against Mormons, they should notice that she seems to despise Christians even more...


http://www.blueoregon.com/2007/06/barack_obama_an/

“Coupled with the complete hijacking of the Republican Party by the Fundamentalist Christians, we are staring down a tunnel of despair and fear. I believe the only thing that is going to put this country back to some semblance of being a “beacon of hope” for it’s own citizens (as well as the world) is a leader who has the skills to bring people together, the diversity in his background to make him credible to the world, and the intelligence to see through the manipulations that take place in Washington D.C.

That’s why I have hope in Barack Obama.”


153 posted on 08/07/2012 10:14:36 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
I don't support mitt you fucking moron troll, I detest obama.
You on the other hand seem to support him


Thank you for so brilliantly making my point for me.
154 posted on 08/07/2012 10:24:49 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: parisa; greyfoxx39
My dear unhappy FRiend, when obama is done w/ this country there won't be any rights left for any citizens be it men or women to worry about. Get real and think straight.

Another fear-mongering, Chicken-Little, the sky-is-falling post by an ABO type.

They have nothing positive to say about Romney except he ain't ABO and they absolutely ignore his lying, progressive Liberal record and then either post the Armaggedon phropesy where Obama is concerned or call you names or both.
155 posted on 08/07/2012 10:28:47 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Tau Food
(The only nickname I know of for Brigham during his lifetime (or shortly after his death) was "Lion of the Lord" ... Which "lord" is another matter)
156 posted on 08/07/2012 10:36:06 PM PDT by Colofornian (Why don't you 'birthers' ask Mitt about his 'spirit-birth' on planet near Kolob? Hypocrisy @ work?)
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To: Colofornian
(The only nickname I know of for Brigham during his lifetime (or shortly after his death) was "Lion of the Lord" ... Which "lord" is another matter)

Well we certainly know it was not the God of the Bible.
157 posted on 08/07/2012 10:39:55 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Artcore; parisa; All
To make their argument plausible, they have to make the bogus assertion that “Romney and Obama are exactly the same.”

(They are indeed political twins)

Careful re: the apologetical approaches being used by Romney supporters. They will tell you...

1. ..."It doesn't matter what Romney does or doesn't embrace."

All that matters to SOME zombie-like "All But Obama" voters (a sheer euphemism for RomneybotISM) is to...
...hype you up on fear-steroids so that THE ONLY THING that matters is who Romney is running against.

They employ, plainly speaking, pragmatic utilitarian political relativism. Pragmatic utilitarianism, simply put, reduces the socio-political to our own pet-agenda bents. Sadly, Spring/Summer of 2012 has shown how Romney "Conservatives" have tended to fall into the same type of utilitarian logic Democrats used in trying to keep President Clinton in office during his impeachment times. Some Democrats then argued that it didn't matter whether Clinton was guilty of sexualizing his employee; all that mattered was not disrupting a "good economy." Per the pragmatic utilitarians, a candidate supposedly isn't to be measured based upon true conservative principles he/she embraces (or doesn't); rather his resume' is 100% irrelevant!

"The ONLY thing that matters," they tell you, "is that Obama is wrecking the economy. (Hence: 'Tis only Romney's main opposing candidate that matters).

The end-game result? This will, of course, strongly replace the GoP with RINOISM. Permanently. To use a racetrack term, this is called "backing the wrong horse." RINOS indeed are the "blue lights" (the name for the 1813 pro-British traitors) of conservatism. They -- and grassroots Americans who have been raised to embrace free-floating relativism and utilitarianism -- are the cultural capitulators of our times!

And they are rapidly gaining new converts every day via Romney's candidacy!

Thus, Romney and Obama are the "G men" twins (Romney is six of one and Obama a half-dozen of another). What once-upon-a-time drew criticism of Romney...for example, his pioneering socialistic healthcare, has now become "acceptable" to these "born-again" Romneyites! The truth is that BOTH Obama and Romney are EACH "G men" (both government men who have pioneered socialistic healthcare).

Likewise, they will tell you...

2. ...that it "doesn't really matter what candidates believe religiously" -- that there somehow (miraculously and prophetically) won't suffer ANY bleedover to ANY other spheres of life...that religion is somehow hermetically sealed and carefully compartmentalized. Sadly, this simply caters to reinforcing one 2012 book published -- that we are indeed a "nation of heretics."

Likewise, they will tell you...

3. ... minus any evidence, mind you, that somehow one heretical religious system (Mormonism) being injected mainstream into our socio-political culture trumps yet another heretical system (Islam) -- all in the name that Obama is somehow a current Muslim (no evidence offered); or that Romney is somehow an economic political savior whom we have to trust implicitly. Never mind that hell stands eternal for all such systems that cater to counterfeit salvation (BOTH MormonISM and Islam).

Finally, they will tend to ignore...

4. ...the potential bleedover of a candidate's vulnerability -- his gullibility -- to deception. They will talk of this character defect -- this sheer lack of discernment -- as if it wasn't part of a presidential "job description!" Yet in areas such as foreign policy, a candidate easily deceived is easily subject to "hook, line, and sinker" foreign policy major fiascos!

Simply put, we must weigh a candidate's level of vulnerability to deception -- for that transcends religious considerations. (And a candidate's level to deception in the most important area of his life, his faith, is an excellent indicator of potential other gullibilities)

We all have blinders to truth. Nobody has a monopoly on it. (But I would say the Bible has the best snapshot of God & humanity and the interaction between the two). Deception exists in the world, and when compared to trustworthy sources of truth (the Bible), deception exists as a continuum. If we agreed that a candidate belongs to the most deceptive cult in the world, then certainly that candidate's vulnerability to deception in the most important area of his life--his faith--serves as an indicator that he/she might be more easily deceived in public policy issues. "Vulnerability to deception" belongs on a character checklist! Even one 2007 poll indicated that 54% of Americans would not vote for an atheist.

A similar principle revolves around this: Other-worldly commitments (faith, whether it's 'True' faith or misdirected faith, IS a character issue!)

There's no way around this realization! To try to extract such other-worldly commitments from character is simply not possible. Time & time again folks try to hermetically seal "faith" & "religion" away from the public square as if folks checked their faith at the door or as if folks were neatly cut-up pie pieces. (Just try telling any voter that he should never weigh "character" into his/her voting-decision considerations).

158 posted on 08/07/2012 10:41:17 PM PDT by Colofornian (Why don't you 'birthers' ask Mitt about his 'spirit-birth' on planet near Kolob? Hypocrisy @ work?)
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To: Tamzee

Good find, but probably can’t get traction with such facts here.


159 posted on 08/07/2012 10:53:30 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: SoConPubbie
and then either post the Armaggedon phropesy where Obama is concerned

Watch it there comrade! Your obamabot crimson red underwear is sticking out of your baggy pants a little.

160 posted on 08/07/2012 11:10:25 PM PDT by parisa
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