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To: GBA
The Gold Standard definition for a Natural Born Citizen is someone born here to two citizen parents at the time of his or her birth. That is the only definition that will be acceptable to everyone.

On behalf of the 34 other people who are left agreeing with us, I thank you. We have been betrayed by the courts and the GOP.

21 posted on 07/31/2012 8:10:03 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Do not listen to Conservative Talk Radio ... until they talk to Sheriff Joe.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
In 1875, U.S. Attorney General Edwards Pierrepont was presented with a query from the Secretary of State, Hamilton Fish. A young man, surnamed Steinkauler (his first name was never mentioned), had been born in Missouri in 1855, a year after his father was naturalized a U.S. citizen. When he was four years old, his father returned to Germany with him and both had stayed there ever since. The father has relinquished his American citizenship. Now the young man is 20 years old and about to be drafted into the German army. What is this young man's situation as a native-born American citizen? After studying the relevant legal authorities, Pierrepont wrote:

Under the treaty [of 1868 with Germany], and in harmony with American doctrine, it is clear that Steinkauler the father abandoned his naturalization in America and became a German subject (his son being yet a minor), and that by virtue of German laws the son acquired German nationality. It is equally clear that the son, by birth, has American nationality, and hence he has two nationalities, one natural, the other acquired. .... Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of 21, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States..... I am of opinion that when he reaches the age of 21 years he can then elect whether he will return and take the nationality of his birth, with its duties and privileges, or retain the nationality acquired by the act of his father.

The more I read, the more I am convinced that "natural born citizen" refers to someone who was a citizen "naturally", ie they were not "naturalized". This covers anyone born on US soil, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Should their parents not be US citizens at the time of their birth, they may have dual citizenship, but they ARE natural born citizens. While I would like there to be a requirement that both parents must be citizens AND that they be born on US soil, such a requirement does NOT exist in the constitution.

24 posted on 07/31/2012 8:42:40 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Kenny Bunk
It is my pleasure to be of service, there are so many great examples here to follow.

Yes, we have been betrayed, but that doesn't really matter when it comes to living up to that "oath thing" from my youth.

Besides, the betrayal is so widespread, just being proudly Constitutional will seem like a new fad at some point and likely will catch on.

The pendulum has to swing the other way sooner or later and I think politically it's a bit overdue. Here we are on the cutting edge.

27 posted on 07/31/2012 9:26:59 PM PDT by GBA
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