[khelus]

.. but it seems to me that free trade that involved producing "over there" would be where our guys found it necessary because exporting to meet the demand "over there" became too expensive

One upon a time that what 'globalism' was about. Setting up a branch overseas to supply the overseas market.

... I really do believe that 1) Lenin was right, corporations are useful idiots in that case and ...

Agreed. That is why Marx promoted free trade (i.e. free movement of labor and capital devoid of any consideration of ethics or patriotism) as a means to speed up global communism.

...and 2) Deng implemented a version of Lenin's New Economic Policy (NEP) I have never made that connection, but it makes sense.

... I understand that others see Red China transitioning to freedom and democracy -- or simply just "another system."

It's difficult to believe that China is making a significant move to freedom only 20 years after Tiannanmen Square or when consider religions can only be freely practiced under government regulation. It is easy to see China as transiting to form of fascism. Fascism is after all communism with the pretense of private ownership; one's use of private property is controlled through heavy regulation. Many forget an unholy alliance with big government and heavy regulation is something large global corporations are comfortable with.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: NEP and Deng Xiaoping

Yes the Chi Coms studied NEP and Deng talked to Armand Hammer about NEP. Hammer was there in Russia at the time.

I think Stalin ended NEP after Lenin died -- the useful idiots and the Nepmen became a, if not the, major factor in building the economy. Lenin's purpose to save the revolution because Marxism sure as hell wasn't helping and the masses were restless. Ditto post-Mao Red China.

After Lenin the Soviet ideologues were scared of NEP. They ended NEP and the Nepmen. I am sure "the people" seized their property back from the useful idiots like Henry Ford also.

The Chi Com ideologues have done NEP right.. they became the Nepmen and they are now millionaires and billionaires: Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.

.. but they are Dengists and are increasingly opposed by Maoists.

No matter who survives, Dengists or Maoists, the useful idiots' property will be "returned to the people." .. and I say, NO TARP to compensate the useful idiots!