But did she get the proper permit to capture snow runoff?
Posted on 07/27/2012 10:01:30 AM PDT by rawhide
Pretty good addition to the list of OVER-REGULATED ACTIVITIES!!
Although, it IS Oregon, why would you need to “store water”.
Chamber of Commerce used to have a signs:
In Oregon, we don’t irrigate our lawns, we drain them.
732 people drowned in Oregon last year....by falling off of their bicycle...
As other posters have noted this has been litigated gazillions of times. The guy who put in ponds doesn't have a chance of winning. Just isn't going to happen.
In Kentucky things are different.
BTW, except for land with considerable mineral wealth when you get into the areas governed by Western water rights law land isn't worth anything without a water right.
That's one of the reasons you find Western cities and towns having 6 to 12 lane roadways all over the place. The land was cheap.
If you move to one of those states make sure you buy a place to live with water rights or rights to access from a municipal provider. Else you'll waste your money.
There's nothing new in this. Way to deal with it is to change the plans or move the mirrors to the right spot.
NOTE: The reason for a performance audit is to detect a preponderance of deviations from the plans. Those mirrors in that position might well not be affixed properly to the wall ~ but we don't know.
The coastal zone has rain, but it’s really not up to typical Ohio Valley standards. Most of the state is arid or semi-arid. Even has alkaline lakes.
The eastern 2/3rds of both Oregon and Washington, are desert/brushlands. The Cascades (and Olympics in Washington) scrape most of the rainwater out of the clouds as they pass from west to east.
The State of Oregon: “I Drink Your Milkshake.”
We are becoming a People of the Government, by the Government and for the Government. If we do not ‘fundamentally change’ our course of government in November, we will forever be doomed.
Whatever happened to basic common sense? Government at all levels is populated by knaves and fools.
The falling rain belongs to God, once it hits the ground it belongs to whoever has prior water rights. The state is only a referee. You cannot usurp someone's water rights simply by moving in upstream or higher on the watershed. That water still belongs to someone else.
The law was designed to protect ranchers in eastern Colorado who found that their water was being diverted as people moved to the base of the mountains. To protect those rights they can confiscate rain barrels, breach catchments, plug wells, overturn buckets in someone's yard, even check your toilet to see if someone else's water is being used to flush. If someone has a prior claim they OWN that water.
That is the Colorado model and most western states' water laws are based on it. They are moving closer to it as competition for water increases.
If you want their water, buy it.
Grew up in Kennewick, WA.....so, I understand the desert...
But, I wasn’t about to pass up the punchlines!
Years ago, when my company was doing contract work, an ACoE (Army Corps of Engineers) major told me that THEY owned all water rights in continental US; EPA official told me same thing 6mos later, that EPA owned all water/mineral rights in US.
WTF?
The paperwork/permits/fees/contracts/inspections are voluminous and daunting, and caused me to get out of that type of contract work.
Then, USDOT and Dept of AG got into it with permits/fees/contracts/inspections on equipment etc, and I pulled the corp plug last year, after 22yrs. Screw it.
Unless you have lived out West this may seem silly. Water rights on a property can go back to claims from the early 1800's out west. You can own the property but not own rights to the water running through your property.
Flow is carefully monitored on streams out west. If there is a dispute over a neighbor taking too much of your stream water upstream a Water Rights Judge is called in to settle the matter. It usually involves him coming out to the property in question and reviewing the claims made by both parties and making a decision. In true western fashion court is usually held outdoor by the stream in question so that the actual stream flows can be measured.
Out west, it is no water, no crops, no livelihood. Water is very serious out west.
If this guy was just collecting rain in barrels then the state is being silly. If he is diverting streams which are filled with rainwater or snow-melt runoff then that is entirely different. His neighbors down stream that need to water their crops have probably reported him to the state.
Regards, Mr. Sol
The essence of this case is: was his pond water entirely what fell on his land, or did he actually divert a stream that ran into the property from outside?
Here is a tid bit from western Washington where the democrats in charge are taking control of water. This is a mainstay of the international socialists who follow the rule that controlling water is controlling people. The takeaway line in this article is: " The rule would largely do away with the permit exemptions that now allow those who drill a well within the region to enjoy the resulting water at no cost."
sfl
No. Water which falls on or runs under property is subject to first use or prior use claims. It is a property right which attaches to the property which can establish prior use in a timeline.
Most of the wells around Sedona, down through Cottonwood, Clarkdale, Lake Montezuma, Camp Verde, anywhere along the Verde Vally all the way to Phoenix are taking water which legally belongs to Salt River Project. SRP, if they wanted to be pissy, could shut them down or charge for the water and it may come to that at some future date. Right now SRP has bigger fish to fry but they are well aware of the depletion rate in the watershed.
“We now live in an obey or pay police state. We have too many government hirelings looking to rob our paychecks for their paychecks.”
So why don’t we stand up to them? Why don’t we tar and feather them and send them back where they came from? When will we meet them at the Old North Bridge and tell them that they will go no further?
After all, wasn’t this country built on the notion of standing up to tyranny?
“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.” - The Declaration of Independence
I'm open to methods but since our distant ancestor's days in Africa the best method has been to move away. An option might be to build new land in the shallow Atlantic and create a new government with the original U.S. Constitution without the later amendments. Create a new crypto-currency and run a zero house percentage zero tax internet lottery so people the world over could buy some hope. The new island would have rich lottery winners moving in every week. A prime industry would be medical care, poaching the best doctors fleeing Obamacare. We'd need an airport capable of landing 737s an hours flight from Florida, and for shipping out leftists. We'd need fast internet and excellent FedEx service to bring in Amazon purchases. We don't need much to be happy, just less government, less lawyers, less regulation, less taxes, less left-side-of-the-bell-curve neighbors.
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