Posted on 07/27/2012 3:58:23 AM PDT by IbJensen
I'd have someone check to see if someone or some people in your state government and the small-engine repair shops are colluding. (snicker)
***ethanol cannot exist without government subsidy***
I remember when Jimmy Carter tried to pass off ethanol on us back in the late 1970s. As soon as he was removed from office the fad passed and everyone went back to real gas.
In so far as I know, I don’t use any ethanol in my diesel car which gets me 27-30 mpg in pure city driving so I speak from a neutral viewpoint!
Frankly, I am afraid that this is one of those situations that would be called a conspiracy if it were not for the fact that it was almost all out in the open! You have big corporations, Archer-Daniel-Midland for one, that love another market for their corn and you have farmers in almost every state who feel the same way. We have bipartisan politicos who think that ethanol would be US profit replacing foreign oil imports and see little down-side risk from this operation but boosts to their popularity and campaign contributions.
Now we see that, unlike oil, there is a the potential for things like the current drought that materially change the availability of an agricultural product. We see that corn, as an ESSENTIAL multi-species food product, has an impact when there are non-elastic demands set by law for use in non-food industries like motor fuel. We also see that, unlike the early rosy projections of a natural alternative to evil oil, ethanol has a much greater environmental cost than was initially realized let alone the fact that ethanol is detrimental in its fuel use.
So, what do we do now? Logic states that corn is far better used as a food source than as a fuel additive. So, that means that the laws mandating use of corn as a fuel feedstock should be removed. Continuing research into non-food ethanol should continue along with research on engine design to better use such ethanol.
Anyway, I plan to start eating dirt as it seems to be the only thing that is not about to skyrocket in cost over next year!
Diesel fuel SHOULD use very little refining; however, the central socialist govenment has made diesel more expensive than refined gasoline.
The government designs your cars, your car seats, your light bulbs and you damned toilet tank!
Not in Indiana. We’ve had mostly E10 since the 1980s.
And our local alky must be better than a lot of the others, because most of my OPE is old, old, old and I’ve not had fuel system problems at all.
The only one was a fairly new Weedeater trimmer and that was due to sh!tty Chinese polymers in the fuel lines. When I replaced them with some US sourced stuff it’s been fine.
For those on FR having all the engine problems, it would seem to be well worth it to go here:
http://pure-gas.org/
Diesel has more btu per unit volume than gasoline, so if you price on energy content, it should be higher.
There are some problems both ways with this.
First of all, ethanol is b.s. and a huge waste of corn.
However, food stamps are completely different from any other form of welfare, so should not be lumped together with largesse. This is because American agribusiness is downright surreal at times.
Even at the height of the Dust Bowl, when tens of thousands of farms were wiped out from Texas all the way to Canada, those farmers outside of the Dust Bowl region were still producing too much food for America to eat.
Combined with deflation, where there was not enough physical currency to buy anything, crops became worthless, with wheat down to 25 cents a bushel, and corn being burned for fuel. It cost more to transport to market than it was worth. At the same time, in other parts of the US, people were starving.
FDR’s response was to send government agents to every producing farm with orders to *destroy* food. With some of the excess given to charities to give out in soup kitchens.
In perspective, one of their first acts was to kill and bury six million pigs. This is the scale I’m talking about.
And ever since that time, American agriculture has been made into a fascist economic model called a “public private partnership”, which means “semi-nationalized”. The government tells farmers what they are *allowed* to produce, but leave it up to the farmers to actually produce.
A problem with this model is that in every part of the process, the government has to inject money. Vast amounts of money, to keep production and prices stable.
Yet part of this is to insure there is never shortage, always surplus. And the government buys up this surplus and expensively warehouses it until it rots. Every year.
This warehousing is so expensive that when Reagan gave away the “government cheese” surplus, it actually *saved* the government millions of dollars.
And importantly, it had little or no effect on the price of retail cheese. And this is vitally important.
Most of the food that people who buy their food, buy, has been processed. They much prefer that over bulk food they have to cook.
So optimally, people on food stamps should get most of their food in an unprocessed form. Flour, sugar, produce, and raw meat, which they have to cook themselves. Were it done this way, every single person in the US that wanted free food could get it, and it would not effect the price of processed food one bit!
But the processed food manufacturers have lobbied long and hard so that people on food stamps could get their food as well. So when people on food stamps buy processed food, of course it pushes up the price for everyone else.
Finally, when there is talk of “welfare reform”, invariably somebody tries to lump food stamps together with cash payments as something that should be cut back.
First of all, hunger is a crappy motivator. Second, do you want to spend *more* money storing surplus food than it costs to give it away? And third, by giving away excess, of just those foods that are in excess, it stabilizes prices so the government does not need to pump more cash into the system.
So what needs to be done?
First of all, the situation could be de-federalized to a great extent. Give the states block grants and the ability to set their own rules, as well as emphasizing foods that state produces over “imported” foods. If a state produces an abundance of apples, in addition to food stamps, the poor should get the state overflow.
Lots of taxpayer money saved. Poor people eat, though their cash welfare payments can be seriously reformed.
Federal mandate for more alien energy (Brazil). Thanks for the good news!
LLS
Gasahol... I remember it well... and the lawsuits that drove it out of the marketplace.
LLS
Hereabouts there are two stations that sell pure gasoline, albeit at a 10-20% premium. They seem to do a pretty good trade.
LLS
You better believe it. My boat wouldn't start while on the middle of a lake. I had all my guns an ammunition on board at the time. A thunderstorm blew up and swamped the boat. Luckily I was able to swim to shore. Alas, all my guns and ammo were lost but I feel lucky to be alive.
More business for Brazil!
You can find a list of non-ethanol gasoline at http://pure-gas.org .
Shell and Marathon seem to have the most pure gasoline available, along with some no-names. Typically, it is available only in premium grade (90-93 octane), though I have seen it at 87 octane as well in farm areas in southern Illinois.
I have a 90 mile commute, and have found gas stations with pure fuel at both ends of the trip and on the highway in the middle.
There are plenty of E-85 stations in Wisconsin. Check:
http://e85vehicles.com/e85-stations/e85-wisconsin.html
Right now, I know of no good reason to use E-85 unless you want high octane with low BTUs. The price is close to on par with E10, and you pay a serious (15-20%) mileage premium.
The 100% gas usually carries a 10 to 20 cent price premium over equivalent E-10, but you also get roughly 2.5% more BTUs, so it is practically a wash, and it makes your engine happier.
I’m either using the wrong gas station or I’m not seeing the E-85 at any of the pumps where I get my gas. But if there are stations in Wisconsin that have it, and it appears there are, I stand corrected.
Doesn’t premium fuel contain ethanol as well? I’ll have to check, but I think my Toro lawnmower says to use no higher than 87 octane.
All I know is I had to take three small engines to the repair guy before I switched to premium. All had the same ethanol-caused problem. Gummy carburetor. No problems since. No ethanol in the premium I use.
Thanks for the info. And I checked my Toro lawn mower manual. It says no lower than 77 octane but doesn’t mention an upper limit, so I’m switching to premium for my small engines.
Farming without subsidies? Some lessons from New Zealand
http://newfarm.rodaleinstitute.org/features/0303/newzealand_subsidies.shtml
Output and net incomes for the New Zealand dairy industry are higher now than before subsidies ended—and the cost of milk production is among the lowest in the world.
“Life After Subsidies”
http://www.fedfarm.org.nz/f1051,130378/130378_Life_after_subsidies_-_the_New_Zealand_experience.pdf
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