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To: drbuzzard

Don’t sell yourself short, return fire could have had a dramatic effect even if it failed to completely stop him. His surrender in the parking lot tells us lots about the degree of his resolve when confronted.

Don’t take the news reports about “body armor” as being any more accurate than any of the rest of this reporting. We have far too many reporters giving varying descriptions of the suspect’s clothing for anyone to make an assumption that he was dressed in actual ballistic protection. A ballistic helmet is an appearance. Throat and groin protectors are great against baseballs and hockey sticks. A tactical vest only implies that it’s got lots of pockets.

In addition, train with those problems in mind. There are targets beyond center of mass. Never reinforce failure if your first rounds don’t perform as expected. Enough said.


81 posted on 07/21/2012 2:31:54 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Steamburg

“... return fire could have had a dramatic effect even if it failed to completely stop him. ...

In addition, train with those problems in mind. There are targets beyond center of mass. Never reinforce failure if your first rounds don’t perform as expected. Enough said.”

This reminds me that having read a lot of issues of The Ayoub Files, I was initially a little surprised about how many shootings result in hits on the arms and hands. And that those hits on the arms and hands often disable the shooter.

But if you think about it a bit, you’ll notice that the with most rifle and pistol holds, the forearm(s) block a good portion of the chest, so just going for a center of mass shot often ends up hitting the forearms or hands.

Heck, in the FBI Miami shoot out, one cop was hit in the hand and another in the forearm. The cop that was hit on his strong hand had never been trained on how to reload with just his weak hand which left him vulnerable and the perp walked up to him and delivered a coup de gras to the head.

The other cop that was hit in the forearm with a .223 and said that when he looked at his left arm, it looked like the meat had been peeled back from the bone like the skin of a banana. This took him out of most of the fight, but he got back in at the end by operating his shotgun one-handed.

It amazing common to see arm and hand and even hits on the gun itself that disables the gun and stops the fight.


108 posted on 07/21/2012 3:32:55 PM PDT by RatSlayer
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