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To: Above My Pay Grade; Melas
I am actually trying to figure out why anyone would try to call themselves a conservative while at the same time favor the unconstitutional restriction of religious freedom. I know, you say it is all about private property rights. But let me ask you two questions:

1) I am aware of two retail chains, Wegman's Grocery Stores and Sears, that will not play traditional Christmas music during the holiday season, even as I am certain there have been complaints. Do you agree with them?

2) A young woman here in Georgia was expelled from a university and denied a psychology degree because she had expressed opposition to homosexuality and declined to denounce both her opposition and her faith. Do you agree with the university's actions?

32 posted on 07/16/2012 12:27:25 PM PDT by Houmatt (NObama in 2012!)
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To: Houmatt

Your two questions have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Wegmans and Sears are free to play whatever music they want at Christmas. How does one agreeing or disagreeing with their decision impact the Constitutionality of their decision?

As for the Georgia woman, is she still able to practice her religion as she sees fit? Yes. But her decision to do so led to her dismissal from the program. Her choice. She should have chosen the program she entered more wisely.

But again, the question is a complete non sequitor when it comes the Constitutional issues under discussion here.


35 posted on 07/16/2012 12:43:04 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Houmatt

1) I disagree with retailers choosing to do it. I do not disagree with their right to do it. They are privately-owned businesses. (If stockholders disagree they should make themselves known)

2) If it is a public university, such as a state college, I absolutely disagree and so does the law. If it is a private university such as a Catholic school, they can make their own rules. No muslims, no right-to-choosers, no gay marriage advocates, nada.


39 posted on 07/16/2012 12:53:46 PM PDT by beelzepug ("Blind obedience to arbitrary rules is a sign of mental illness")
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To: Houmatt
1) I am aware of two retail chains, Wegman's Grocery Stores and Sears, that will not play traditional Christmas music during the holiday season, even as I am certain there have been complaints. Do you agree with them?

Absolutely. If Sears wants to play Metallica 24/7, that's Sears' call. If Sears wants to play no music at all, that's Sears' call. If Sears wants to play God Bless Ye Merry Gentlemen on the 4th of July, again that's entirely up to Sears.

How could anyone even argue this? It's a freakin' private business.

56 posted on 07/16/2012 1:28:31 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Houmatt

Any TRUE Conservatie believes in PRIVATE PROPERTY rights.

1) I don’t agree with Wegman’s or Sears for not playing Christmas music, but I believe it is their absolute right to play it or not play it.

As a customer of one of those stores I have no constitutional right to hear Christmas music while I am shopping there. I have the right to express my feelings about it, or to shop elsewhere, though.

2) I briefly looked at the Keeton case, and from what I’ve read so far, I think she was treated unfairly and her rights were violated.

I believe a student in her situation can be required to be able to recite what the text books and the professors say on issues like that, but should not be forced to say she agrees with them.

That said, there are many aspects of psychology that are at so at odds with the teachings of Christianity, that it might be as easy to be a “Christian stripper” or “Christian bank robber” as a “Christian psychologist”, at least if we are talking about psychology as it is generally taught and practiced in the secular world.

For example, psychology generally tries to raise the self-esteem of sinners, rather than humble them, it tends to validate sin rather than rebuke it, and it tends to seek to place the blame for one’s sin on others (parents, spouses, etc.) rather than encouraging the sinner to take responsibility and repent.


61 posted on 07/16/2012 2:07:52 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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