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To: dennisw
No mention of how much of those various chemicals are actually released. Even if they are tens of thousands of times worse than CO2, if only a tiny amount is released the total effect will be small. A better comparison would be the total amount of CO2 that is "saved" by using photovoltaic cells over their lifetime versus the total greenhouse effect attributed to chemicals released in their production. Also, can better production methods prevent their release into the air.

Instead of careful analysis this article just give the chemicals are given attributes like "virulent" or "treacherous". Emotional sloppiness like this is what I expect from the left trying to play to people's hearts rather than their brains.

7 posted on 07/15/2012 7:43:57 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: KarlInOhio
Agree with you that our side shouldn't be engaging in the feel-good game with the left. Problem is, most of their voters don't understand real numbers.

Unfortunately, even determining how much CO2 is "saved" by photovoltaics isn't straight-forward. In the current energy mix, their output still has to be backed up by conventional reliable generation, because our society isn't going to accept a power drop-out when clouds pass over a big solar farm, or a dust storm obscures what few panels the enviro's allow to be put up in the desert. A backup coal-fired plant has to keep its water boiling, ready to release steam as soon as it is able to pick up any slack, and that really reduces the energy being "saved".

Solar, and wind as well, are unreliable sources that are being shoe-horned into the energy game just to make their manufacturers(e.g. Solyndra, GE's Jeffrey Immelt) rich through sweetheart deals with politicians so that they can brag to their voters how they're "saving the planet", so that they can feel good about themselves. To me, that's the real emotional sloppiness.

11 posted on 07/15/2012 8:37:33 AM PDT by niteowl (Wisdom comes in two parts: 1) Having a lot to say, and 2) not saying it.)
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To: KarlInOhio

I agree - this is one idiotic article - it has inconsistencies and inaccuracies and plain stupidity written all over it.

Such as the following...

“Zehner explains that alternative energy subsidies keep retail electricity costs incrementally lower, which then spurs demand.”

Even with subsidies solar is more expensive and in california I sure as hell don’t see my electric bill go down. And in Germany, the capital of solar energy (but not exactly the sunshine capital of the world) the price of electricity is around 36cents a kwh - one of the highest in the world.

And this one...

“...gold-rimmed suburbs of Arizona...” Maybe he’s referring to gold-rimmed Buckeye or gold-rimmed Peoria.


20 posted on 07/15/2012 9:29:31 PM PDT by aquila48
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