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To: agrarianlady

>>God didn’t make a covenant with the U.S. Government in 1789, or prior to our Constitution, or any time afterward.

He made a covenant with His people. They live in every land.<<

Right on.

Considering that we’re commanded to obey our earthly masters (government) - the idea that God somehow blessed our rebellion against British authority in establishing this nation (that today murders 3,500 babies every day and is arguably one of the most perverse and immoral nations)...is something I’ve been debating in my head for a long time.

I don’t doubt that many of our forefathers were believers. But I’m hard-pressed to find a democracy, or representative republic model of government being approved of in scripture.

The idea of our government is that man can rule himself. The fundamental beliefs of Christianity is that man is nothing without God, and has no inherent ability to self-rule.


26 posted on 07/13/2012 5:23:17 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (Can't afford a ticket back from Suffragette City)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
The idea of our government is that man can rule himself. The fundamental beliefs of Christianity is that man is nothing without God, and has no inherent ability to self-rule.

The fundamental gift of Christ is a continued existence beyond our mortal death, for the asking I might add. We all fall victim to evil and the sins of this existence. Jesus sacrificed himself to rescue us from this world, not that we may all be governors.

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, is merely a statement to the difference.

29 posted on 07/13/2012 6:35:40 AM PDT by Errant
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
“Considering that we’re commanded to obey our earthly masters (government) - the idea that God somehow blessed our rebellion against British authority in establishing this nation (that today murders 3,500 babies every day and is arguably one of the most perverse and immoral nations)...is something I’ve been debating in my head for a long time.”

Governments change. If no government rules (for good or for ill) but by the will of God, then if you go against the powers that be - you had best be successful. If you failed to establish a new Government - then it was not God's will that you succeed - but if you DO succeed in establishing a new Government - then it follows that it was God's will that a new Government be established.

It should be obvious to all but the incurably obtuse that for the last couple hundred years - it is God's will that America be self-ruled rather than ruled from England.

What system of governance do you see as compatible with Christianity? Monarchy?

39 posted on 07/13/2012 9:56:54 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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