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At Long Last, Physicists Discover Famed Higgs Boson
ScienceNOW ^ | 4 July 2012 | Adrian Cho

Posted on 07/12/2012 12:46:07 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem

So if the University of Texas, Austin can produce a Noble prize winning scientist why can’t its law school produce a Supreme Court Justice?


21 posted on 07/12/2012 6:01:51 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: neverdem
Note all, this article is from July 4th and back then physicists were all jumping up and down over the 'discovery'. BUT. A physics article yesterday basically said,
'Hold On, Not So Fast'.
We don't think the Higgs Boson was found after all.
Apparently conclusions were jumped at a 'leetle bit' to soon. Just after one week of further study they're now saying what was 'found' did not act like the Higgs Boson was supposed to act. And the first results haven't been able to be reproduced by follow up 'atom smashing' tests since then. In short, they still have to keep looking for it. (I didn't bookmark it, sorry, was very busy)

That article yesterday reminded me of the 'Neutrino Test' that exceeded 'c' done by the Italians a while back. Except that as we now know it didn't. Their measuring instruments were not calibrated correctly, Oops! Ergo, 'c' is still 'the law' not just a good idea, and even a neutrino has to obey it. (and E=mc2 still rules)

So (for now) add the 'Higgs Boson Found' to the 'Neutrino oops' file.

22 posted on 07/13/2012 5:43:45 AM PDT by Condor51 (Never mess with an old man. He won't fight you he'll just kill you.)
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To: Condor51
Ah! I found it.
The Higgs boson may not have been found after all, warn particle physicists
But was the newly discovered particle an imposter? Some experts are warning that yes, there's a good chance that the Higgs boson has yet to be found, after all.

See, physicists at CERN weren't using microscopes or similar tools to view the Higgs boson directly, they were looking at the energy signatures of other particles created.

Keep on trucking guys, it ain't our tax money funding CERN :-)
23 posted on 07/13/2012 5:51:20 AM PDT by Condor51 (Never mess with an old man. He won't fight you he'll just kill you.)
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To: Condor51

Where was he hiding?


24 posted on 07/13/2012 8:16:08 AM PDT by Gasshog (Tragically,Obama ate the blue dog...)
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To: mosaicwolf
So how much did it cost to discover the Higgs boson?

Don't know, though I've been working on some parallel research on a beer and potato chip budget.


25 posted on 07/13/2012 9:40:11 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Verginius Rufus
"Oh, give me a home where the Higgs boson roam,
Where the quarks and antiparticles play,
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word,
And the Fermi are constant all day."

Probable/possible my black hen
She lays her eggs in the relative when
She doesn't lay eggs in the definite now
Because she's unable to postulate how.

--The Space Child's Mother Goose , by Frederick Winsor,

26 posted on 07/13/2012 9:44:26 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: onedoug
Meanwhile, general relativity and quantum mechanics are still incompatible.

At least until a wave/particle comes along.

But if one does, we won't have to worry about it any more.

27 posted on 07/13/2012 9:49:16 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly; Squantos
Ahhhh, but what is the Higgs Bosun made of?

It only exists as a real particle under certain conditions, but one of the fun things in physics is that particles don't have to exist in order to do stuff. For example, tritium is a radioactive isotope that decays when one of its neutrons emits a W- particle and turns into a proton. That W- particle in turn splits into an electron and an electron antineutrino.

The mass of a W- particle is about 80 GeV/c2 but the mass of a whole tritium atom is less than 3 GeV/c2, so conservation of mass says that you can't have a real W- there. Instead it exists as what's called a "virtual particle", appearing and disappearing quickly enough that it can evade the conservation law. To actually "see" a W- you need to whack some stuff together hard enough to provide at least 80 GeV of energy. It would be a similar scenario with the Higgs, but the energy required to flip it from virtual to real is even higher.

The Higgs mass is equal to 1/2 the sum of the masses of the W+, W-, and Z0 bosons, which is around 126 GeV/c2. So don't worry about it. But iof asked, you could say it's made of snips, snails, and puppydog tails.

28 posted on 07/13/2012 9:56:26 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy; Tijeras_Slim

Higgs boson has an inny versus an outty thus it is “sugar an spice” .....

Everything else is good .....:o)


29 posted on 07/13/2012 10:16:47 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: archy
Instead it exists as what's called a "virtual particle", appearing and disappearing quickly enough that it can evade the conservation law.

If this were banking, it would be like a situation in that your credit limit depends on how long you want the money. So you could borrow 100 000 USD for 2 years, or the whole national debt for 2 microseconds. (Not actually long enough to spend any of the proceeds, that is.)

Real banking is not like that, but real physics is.

30 posted on 07/13/2012 12:13:47 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: steve8714
I’ve seen evidence of the influence of God on the hearts of men, and of His natural law. I spent nothing. I gained everything.

Since you have done so well without the aid of science, I guess you would be happy without your car, your air conditioning, your computer and internet, your television, your house and most everything else I'll wager that you are enjoying.

31 posted on 07/13/2012 12:32:18 PM PDT by cerberus
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To: cerberus

I don’t reject modern life. I like to have the best of it. You extrapolate mistakenly.


32 posted on 07/13/2012 4:21:13 PM PDT by steve8714 (Allen West or Marco Rubio; nobody else makes any sense to me at all.)
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To: Gasshog
*** Where was he hiding? ***

In the box. With Schrödinger's Cat.
;-)

33 posted on 07/14/2012 3:52:53 AM PDT by Condor51 (Never mess with an old man. He won't fight you he'll just kill you.)
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To: steve8714

Amen, steve.


34 posted on 07/14/2012 12:19:19 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: steve8714

My sincere apologies......I guess I got up on the wrong side of the bed.


35 posted on 07/14/2012 4:01:57 PM PDT by cerberus
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To: cerberus

No worries.


36 posted on 07/15/2012 8:27:19 PM PDT by steve8714 (Allen West or Marco Rubio; nobody else makes any sense to me at all.)
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