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Justice Roberts Explains Justice Roberts: Politics, the Supreme Court, and Constitutional Change
The American Thinker ^ | July 8, 2012 | James W. Lucas

Posted on 07/08/2012 12:38:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I disagree with the author’s contention that a convention of the states would be an “unworkable” way to consider Amendments.

Article V gives us TWO ways to Amend the Constitution. And if Congress won’t do what we demand, then the states have to step up and do the job. With half the states filing suit against the Obummercare mess, aren’t we already half the distance to a state convention?

Now, before everybody starts howling about the incredible damage that could be done to the Constitution by a states’ convention, please remember that any proposed Amendments MUST be ratified by three-fourths of the several States, same as if Congress approved the Amendment.

No, the calling of a convention would NOT erase the existing Constitution. (The Confederation was not erased when the Constitution was proposed, hence the Federalist Papers to sell the new system.) And no, I do NOT think 3/4ths of the states want the Second Amendment deleted, though it might be close. Each state would choose its delegates to the convention, so I do not believe it would become a Liberal circus full of howling Progressives. We would certainly have a say in the choice of delegates.

We could declare, right from the outset, that the purpose of the convention is to debate and decide “X” Amendment and nothing else. We could declare the convention immediately adjourned if any other business is taken up or Amendments proposed, should we so desire.

Term limits, a state override provision for Supreme Court decisions, replace the word “regulate” with “promote” in the Commerce Clause, clarify the 14th to eliminate anchor babies, re-empower the states by repealing the 17th ... the list of possible Amendments is long.

With all the damage done to Constitution in our lifetimes, and the egegious damage done recently, how could the states do worse?


41 posted on 07/08/2012 8:14:31 AM PDT by DNME (Tired of being polite about it? Time for action? Reawaken the Sons of Liberty!)
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To: DNME
If you go to this site, there is a PDF which you can download that covers what the author has been able to divine about an Amendments Convention called by the authority of the states under Article V, specifically the rules under which it would operate.

About 90% of the document is correct. The 10% that is wrong comes from making unwarranted assumptions based on how the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was called and how it operated. These assumptions are wrong because the original Convention was conducted under the rules of the Articles of Confederation, not the Constitution. The author also failed to read the American Bar Association's seminal 1973 document exploring how such a convention would work, how its members would be chosen, and how its purview would be limited by the state legislatures. Still, 90% isn't bad, and it's a good document to work from.

42 posted on 07/08/2012 8:23:59 AM PDT by Publius (Leadershiup starts with getting off the couch.)
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To: Jacquerie
Yep. We'll write columns and editorials and hold seminars at the Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society. The really angry will appear on Sunday yik-yak shows and imply that demorats raise taxes.

The Left, as always, was ready to shut down cities.

And this is why the Right loses.

43 posted on 07/08/2012 8:53:29 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: jazzlite

Those sort of impressions can be true. There appears to be no rationale but later we find that our first impresions were correct. I never noticed it but I am one who is unlikely to be mesmerized by anyone.


44 posted on 07/08/2012 10:07:17 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: MayflowerMadam

It is truly sickening.


45 posted on 07/08/2012 10:09:48 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: txrangerette

Thank you for a very informative post. Gives hope but I’m still confused


46 posted on 07/08/2012 10:38:12 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: Mach9
"The fury of the right that will now come against the Court will be far worse than anything the left could have brought."

I dunno, there seem to be quite a number of Roberts Republicans, even here on FR.

47 posted on 07/08/2012 2:32:23 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: txrangerette

I was wondering the effects of the ruling myself.

Plainly, it’s not as cut and dried as most believe. In fact, I think the fat lady ain’t sung yet, heck, she’s not even on stage!

My summary would be:

Medicaid expansion is out. Let’s not even worry about that part.

Individual mandate.

OK.
Roberts basically said, and I will paraphrase “You can’t do that under the commerce law, so forget about that. You COULD do that under the taxing powers. Court is adjourned, I’m outa here.”

BUT!!!!.....

AFAIK, the legislation that was passed by Congress DOES NOT CALL IT A TAX, IT CALLS IT A PENALTY!!

SO!

THAT LEGISLATION, OBAMACARE AS IT WAS WRITTEN AND PASSED, IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL!

THEY MUST, repeat that last word, MUST, take it back to Congress and rewrite it so that IT CLEARLY IS DEFINED AS A TAX!

My take, anyways.

And hopefully we KNOW what will happen if it goes back to Congress.


48 posted on 07/08/2012 3:00:57 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Paladin2

Could be they’re just trying to see elusive silver lining . . .


49 posted on 07/09/2012 5:29:30 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: ByteMercenary
I welcome any decision that limits the Commerce Clause.

The Roberts decision made no limitation of the Commerce Clause.

There is no silver lining in his opinion.

50 posted on 07/09/2012 5:44:09 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: Mach9
I think George Carlin observed:

"Inside every silver lining, there's a dark cloud."

51 posted on 07/09/2012 7:32:33 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Personally, I believe that John Roberts is the Benedict Arnold of todays liberal right wing rino judges and really has hurt a lot of Americans with his unjust decision; explaining it away does nothing to repeal it and the man is pond scum at best.


52 posted on 09/15/2012 7:00:01 AM PDT by kindred (Jesus Christ is the Lord God and Messiah of Israel, a present help in time of trouble.)
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